'95-'96 Michael Jordan pinkdiamond card

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Name Michael Jordan
Edition '95-'96
Collection Locker Codes
Position SG / SF
Age 34
Height 6'6"
Weight 195lbs
College North Carolina
Nationality USA
Source Locker Code

99 Overall

97 Outside scoring

  • 99 Standing shot mid
  • 96 Standing shot 3pt
  • 99 Moving shot mid
  • 95 Moving shot 3pt
  • 99 Shot IQ
  • 90 Free throw
  • 99 Off. consistency

96 Inside scoring

  • 99 Standing shot close
  • 99 Moving shot close
  • 99 Standing layup
  • 99 Driving layup
  • 75 Standing dunk
  • 99 Driving dunk
  • 98 Post control
  • 40 Post hook
  • 99 Post fadeaway
  • 99 Hands

95 Playmaking

  • 98 Ball control
  • 92 Passing accuracy
  • 95 Passing vision
  • 95 Passing IQ

97 Athleticism

  • 98 Speed
  • 96 Quickness
  • 99 Vertical
  • 74 Strength
  • 99 Stamina
  • 99 Hustle
  • 98 Overall durability

99 Defending

  • 99 On-ball def. IQ
  • 82 Low post def. IQ
  • 99 Pick & roll def. IQ
  • 99 Help def. IQ
  • 98 Lateral quickness
  • 99 Pass perception
  • 99 Steal
  • 58 Block
  • 99 Shot contest
  • 99 Def. consistency

84 Rebounding

  • 82 Offensive rebound
  • 85 Defensive rebound
  • 85 Boxout

3809 Total attr.


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  • 72

    And the only people that will get this card are the ones that can enter a code fast...should have made a series of challenges for it so it can be earned... not down to luck.

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    0

    So everyone would have him just like every that has Yao ?

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    0

    Check out my best players of all time lineup

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    no

    0

    look at this scrub commenting on 2k15 cards smh






    ***ITS JUST A PRANK BRO***

    0

    can u stop doing that... @Zane1914

    0

    What? I'm confused

    0

    are you annoyed by him doing that? i thought you said you were

    0

    Oh yeah sorry I didn't read the rest I saw it and kinda thought u were talking to me my bad

    -6

    I feel like its fair with the code because then people who are not good have no chance to get it. I agree it should not be code but still easier for people who are not that good at the game.

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    3

    You don't even need to be good at the game for ANY card really. It doesn't take skill to get good players

  • 34

    This unholy beast of a card is being handed out at random to the fastest typers... Think about it #LockerCodesMustGo

    2

    yes they are still here in 2k17...

    2

    I hear ya #LockerCodesMustGo!

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    #LockerCodesMustGo

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    10

    the best card in the game is based on who types in the code fastest how is it fine?

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  • 25

    The worst player in the game, Jakaar Sampson, has a better post hook than this card. Save your time and money and get Jakaar over this. Not worth it.

    0

    And a better block. Therefore, he's also better at defense :)

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    13

    Fake Smoove and no sense of humor lol smh

    3

    ha haaaaaaaa

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    That's a nooooooob mooooooove

  • 24

    Should Have Kept Tournament Mode and Made This a Tournament Reward...

    2

    agreed, but it would have to be a pretty exclusive tournament or else it would be to easy to get him

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    0

    Check out my best players of all time lineup

    0

    I think you should more open about it and put a gun in you hand and shoot stephen then it will go away.and say bloody stephen 3 times to make go away and go to a garage sale ask for ricky and tell them i sent you.

  • 20

    When is Pink Diamond Kwame Brown coming?

    5

    I was wondering the same thing to man, can't wait for the code to drop.

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  • 18

    Note for the web developers: Show the badges please (not just the amount but the actual individual badges they have)

    9

    There is only one dev (tupac) so this would take a long time which is why it isn't a feature yet

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    -2

    TUPAC'S ALIVE

    4

    A detailed change like that isn't going to be made to this site until 2k16

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    4

    And tendencies would be nice, but it takes a lot of work

  • 12

    Some *fun* facts I thought to share about this Pink Diamond Michael Jordan
    Better 3pt Shooter than Onyx Ray Allen
    Better Standing Dunk than Karl Malone
    Better rebounder than (7’4) Mark Eaton
    Faster than Ruby Kyrie
    Better post moves than Onyx Dwight
    Better passer than Onyx Derrick Rose

    2

    Onyx Ray Allen wasn't when Ray was at his best in terms of three point shooting. He was still a versatile scorer. Not taking away that this MJ is way overrated but not a good comparison.

    Equal standing dunk to Karl Malone

    Onyx Dwight isn't exactly known for being an elite low post finesse guy whereas Jordan toward the latter end of his career actually was known as an elite low post player and is still regarded as having arguably the best post footwork of any player not named Hakeem. Again, not a good comparison.

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    Rate my lineup

    0

    Your line up is trash. Try mine

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  • 10

    Why this picture though? So many iconic MJ pics and they choose this one? Crazy card though.

    1

    so when u put him by lebron sf theyll be lookin at each other

  • 8
  • 8

    Only 40 Post Hook? not worth it

    1

    Check out my best players of all time lineup

  • 7

    So Many Greens!

    0

    What can I do to get my lineup better tell me

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    0

    Rate my line-up please

  • 6

    G.O.A.T, no question..but 96 3pt, really!? Better than Ray Allen. Pink Diamond's be cheesin'.

  • 5

    They need to get rid of these Pink Diamonds in the future. Hard to get, and are better than the in game rewards. The best cards should go to those who put in work for them. Not those who camp for an hour and have the fastest typing ability. They just released this guy and Lebron and I am 0/10 with these cards. It just makes people like me not even want to bother with these cards anymore. This wouldn't be as much of a problem if these cards were not most, of the best, cards in the game. If they just released really good cards as opposed to the best in the game, that would make this whole thing a lot less annoying.

  • 5

    B.

    3

    OMG RANNERZ PLZ SIGN MY BAGEL

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    Done.

    2

    Hey man are you aware of this massive argument that's taking over this website? On like half the pages I go on I see a load of guys, one named ARod against a load of guys but mainly Hamish10 slinging irrellivent curses back and forth at each other. I've told them to stop but they won't, I've realised the only way to stop it it's to get you to do something. Please stop this before it takes over the website.

    2

    oh its mainly me? Despite the fact im literally just defending myself and everyone else from this racist, homphobic dickhead.

    1

    You're the one I see arguing with him the most. Again you're trying to make it sound like I'm on his side, which is not the case.

    2

    Well that would happen to be because he comments on almost every post I make. And jog on. You're making me out to be the fucking bad guy when all im doing is defending myself and others from a racist bigot

    2

    I'm saying you're all equally to blame because you're all involved, if you just ignore and report him this could all stop

    3

    I've reported his ass about 40 times. Does fuck all.

    3

    I had the same problem with a fake Chris Smoove account a few months ago and I just ignored him until he gave up.

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    :'(

    RIP 2kmtcentral 2015-2015

    1

    It actually died this year

    -2

    [Deleted]

    3

    Come on man this is getting pathetic

    -2

    All these virgins are taking over the site. LET'S STOP THEM

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    1

    Source still says unreleased

  • 5

    This card... OMG!!

  • 4

    Why not just make him a 100 at that point?

    -16

    Because he shouldn't even be 99...

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    -2

    If Pink Diamond Jordan shouldn't be a 99 than who should be? Jesus you're stubborn.

    -1

    No cards should be given a 99 IMO.

    1

    Like Fifa? I feel like they give it away too much, but the PD version of arguably the best player ever should be given a 99 if anybody should. In my opinion at least, we're each entitled to our own.

    0

    Just so you know FIFA broke with tradition this year and gave TOTY Ronaldo 99

    0

    I know, I'm a pretty avid FIFA player actually haha. But it's not like 2k where you can easily have a team of all 90+ with multiple 99 overall players, that's all I meant. I wish 2k was similar with how the best regular players are 92 and 93 so there is a lot of room for improvement which they need.

    -1

    Yeah but if anything the 1996 MJ shouldn't be the 99 overall. He averaged as good stats as D-Wade did in 2009 and he only got a 93 overall.

    1

    I agree with that. I think 96 Jordan based on the current ratings should be maybe a 96 but I think 09 Wade should also get boosted up to a 96. 93 for the season he had is just ridiculous.

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  • 4

    this is the definition of a created player

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  • 3

    GOAT. Can't wait till I get him #LockerCodeKing gonna ruin MyTeam.

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    No

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    Jordan is GOAT. How mentally challenged can people get?!

    -3

    Correct Jordan was the goat
    If and when Lebron wins the chip this year he is officially the goat

    -2

    Haha funny because he LOST!

    1

    Then came back and beat the 73-9 warriors with MVP curry after the Warriors had a 3-1 lead

    -3

    Do toy want the explanation?

    2

    Yes please

    5

    Okay but prepare your (and MJ's) anus:

    He Couldn`t get past the 1st round before Pippen. In fact he couldn`t beat Sidney Moncrief and Terry Cummings, in a single game of a 1st round series... 1-12 before Pippen - considered best play off performer ever = OVERRATED. He played in an era where from 1990-1998 there was no shooting guard other than clyde drexler(only twice) and MJ that came top 10 in MVP voting and when Mj QUITS BASKETBALL for 2 years which SG takes his place on the NBA 1st team? A 2ND YEAR LATRELL SPEWELL!!! AVERAGING 23-4-4 ON 43%!!! SHOOTING - Considered to play in one of if not the toughest era in NBA history = OVERRATED. Next the NBA realise MJ is getting old and ineffective so what do they do with no clear superstar to make them money next? They allow handchecking, SHORTEN THE FRICKING THREE POINT LINE and change several other rules to help MJ keep putting in "GOAT worthy" numbers cancelling out his poor 3 point shooting and declining athleticism - considered to play in a physical, stricter era than most or even all others = OVERRATED. Finally the way the NBA brainwashed people into believing he`s the "GOAT" allowed him to do anything and he wouldn`t be considered lesser for it. Apart from the ridiculous rule changes which Kobe and Lebron somehow get blamed for (MJ fanboy logic...) he QUIT BASKETBALL in the middle of his career, failed in the play-off's for years and BANNED A FELLOW PLAYER FROM PLAYING IN THE OLYMPICS!- Imagine Lebron or Kobe doing these things, heck they even get blamed for some of them! Jordan = OVERRATED. Jordan is only seen for the positives in his career and is only considered "GOAT" due to a load of brainwashed bandwagons (like 60% of NBA fans) who cant accept anyone else as GOAT or even close to MJ`s "greatness" and dont even know about most of his failures. He`s still top 5 defiantly and almost certain top 3 but the anonymous, undeniable GOAT according to 60% of NBA fans, it`s too far compared to other greats, the only player who should be considered close to that godly by anyone is Wilt. MJ`s nothing special. MJ = OVERRATED!!! :)

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    Oh yeah and,





    Bruh...

    0

    That was embarrassing. They changed the handchecking rule BEFORE the start of the 94-95 season. He came back in March of 1995. He lost most of his athletic ability when he came back and did most of his work from the post and from mid-range. Handchecking was banned in 04. How would "allowing" it even help him?

    0

    U very stupid boy. Yeah 90's had no other good shooting guards in the NBA besides Drexler, saying MJ had Horace Grant against the bucks in 85, and got swept by the Magic in 95. Man u r John Wooden, someone should give u a coaching job. U looked up some stats and still got shit wrong, and all of a sudden u know everything. Really I'm guessing u weren't even born yet. Yeah, MJ gets over rated by a lot of people and Wilt was one or the best, but u say a lot of dumb and wrong things.

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    I was thinking of Charles Oakley, don't know why I said Horace Grant. Still of all the things I said that's 1 incorrect statement and that statement is the only thing proved wrong. So am I right?

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    U said the 90's had no other good shooting guards other than Drexler. I guess that's technically not wrong, it's a matter of opinion, and maybe that's yours. But I think a lot of people would disagree with you. I can think of at least 5-10 good 90's SG's off the top of my head. A lot more if u count combo guards and swing men.

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    Like Mitch Richmond? Or, well, no one? No true HOF talent and only true SG's count as they were the guys MJ faced 1 on 1.

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    What about Iverson, Reggie Miller, Kobe, T-Mac, Vince Carter, Dumars, Eddie Jones Abdul Rauf, Glen Rice, how u leave all them out? And yeah, Mitch Richmond was good, especially on the Kings. He averaged around 25 ppg for years. He could, shoot, drive, drive, pass, defend. He may not have been great, but at least as good as Woolridge, Oakley, old George Gervin, and a lot of the guys on Bulls u said were good. So was Penny Hardaway, which yeah he started at PG, but he played a lot like a SG, just with some better passing and ball handling.

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    Only Miller and Dumars played more than 3 years against MJ in their primes apart from Abdul-Rauf, who was a 6'0" PG... When I mentions MJ's mid 80's teammates I meant they were better than 1st round sweeps, not HOF worthy. Finally so what if Penny played like a SG? He wasn't one so didn't face MJ.

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    Nique was past his prime by the 90's and never had a great team. Magic had 1-2 years in the Bulls title runs past his prime and with weak teams. Kidd doesn't count either as he nor his teams were relevant in the 90's. Payton and Hardaway were PG's so would have a disadvantage against the post game MJ had. 90's guards sucked in a league dominated by big men. The only guard or SF MJ faced that was top 25 and in his prime during the 3 peats was Stockton, who was far too slow to guard MJ, hence Byron Russell having to. And with your last point I'm pretty sure Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons did...

    1

    Saying hence every paragraph and trying to sound intelligent, doesn't make u intelligent...

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    I just naturally say it for some reason. And every paragraph? Not really...

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    Oh Payton and Hardaway were PG, so MJ had an advantage in the post... We're talking bout real life basketball here, not a video game... Hardaway is taller than Jordan, so is Magic and Payton could guard any SG in the league then or ever as well anyone could. Penny is easily a combo guard. Magic and Payton were big and strong, who cares if they ran point... Nique was still very good in the 90's until he tore his achilled up, and Jordan still faced his competition in the 80's too, who cares who was out of their prime, or didn't play 3 years against MJ or didn't face him in the finals or guard him every play, or whatever dumb shit u say. They still amazing HOF players. U act like all PG's, SG's, SF's, whatever r the same exact thing with the same exact physical abilities. If that period is just dominated by big men why did MJ come out with 6 rings in the 90s, Wilt had 2 in a career that was super long and only a few teams for a lot of it. Only when he was out of the league between his 3 peats and the year he just came back way late in the year did Hakeem get his. So I don't see how they dominated. So what other time period had better guards then or competition at all for that matter? Make a big list of Wilt's competition I'll do the same thing u did. Wilt was an animal not taking shit away from him, but MJ is much more than,"nothing special".

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    Umm I said PG's had a disadvantage in the post as they wouldn't be use to it and generally too small and SF wouldn't be use to guarding nimble players like MJ. And MJ won especially in the 2nd 3 peat because of Grant(1st 3 peat) and Rodman(2nd 3 peat). Wilt had to face a 7 HOF team and a 6 HOF team due to the small league and little free agency bunching up the talent on 1 team for a long time. All time periods probably had better guards, MJ would face HOF guards 10-15 games a season, Wilt faced HOF big men 40-50.

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    So come up with your huge list of all the mammoth competition Wilt played, and I'll go thru and poke holes in every point and say people were past their prime or not in their prime yet, or their team wasn't good, or Wilt should've one. Jordan still balled against the Pistons and sent em home in 91 and set the still standing playoff scoring record in his second year in the league after just coming back from a broken foot that had him out all year against a great Celtics team. And if the Bad Boy Pistons made MJ a bitch, then I don't know what u call what Russell and the 60's Celtics did to Wilt.

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    I'll assume your being sarcastic so here:
    - Bill Russell
    - Walt Bellamy
    - Bob Pettit
    - Wayne Embry
    - Red Kerr
    - Clyde Lovellette
    - Swede Halbrook (not that good but 7'3")

    That's a list of big men in 1962, all are HOF talent (apart from the already explained Halbrook) not that much but remember only 9 teams were in the league then so these guys would be facing each other 40-50 games a season.

    You also have guys like:

    - George Mikan
    - Nate Thurmond
    - Jerry Lucas
    - Wes Unseld
    - Dave Cowens
    - Artis Gilmore
    - Kareem
    - Willis Reed
    - Elmore Smith
    - Elvin Hayes
    - Bob Lanier

    All of those guys were opponents of Wilt at some point in his career but not in 1962. In fact you say big men were weak back then but from 1958-1980 all MVP's but the Big O in 1964 were centers and power forwards (Pettit was the only true PF but was guarded by the centers due to his offense). 60's and 70's centers > 90's centers

    And the Celtics beat Wilt often in 7 game series while having 6 more HOF's during Wilts prime, MJ couldn't even beat a team with 0 HOF's more in more than one game... And as for the 63 point game it was in double OT, in a loss and while MJ was being guarded by Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge and Larry Bird. All had size or athletic disadvantages compared to MJ. Elgin Baylor holds the real playoff record with 61 points V the 60's Celtics and Bill Russell in the FINALS with no OT, that's clutch. And I meant that MJ cried and moaned when the Pistons beat them, not just lost while Wilt and Bill Russell actually became friends after their battles.

    You may now poke holes in my points...

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    Don't even need to cuz your holes make no sense and r all dumb excuses like my dog ate my homework type shit

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    Haha, nice excuse to give up!

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    Nah I'm just guessing your grandmother was one of the 10,000 smashed by Wilt... so u in no condition to take criticism bout someone in your family tree

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    Hah what a prick, you must have nothing, because you've started bashing me personally, I hate pathetic pieces of crap like you, get of the internet, prick.

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    Why even say that? Do you seriously have no response?

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    It was a joke bro, u takin the shit too personal. I've got nothing against u bro. If u say u hate me though u must take it more serious than I do. Some of the shit u say is funny and some of it I can agree with, but many times u sound pretty damn stubborn and close minded and seem to over exaggerate things if u ask me.. When I don't respond right away, it don't mean I give up. It ain't about that to me it's cuz I'm doing other shit in my life, besides waiting around to see if someone has responded to my comment yet so I can make one back. And even when I do, sometimes I don't care enough to write back at that moment. I didn't try to change the argument to anything, I responded to the things u said. Is there some reason we r required to argue Wilt vs MJ every comment cuz this is the MJ page? If u or anyone else don't think MJ is goat that doesn't bother me 1 bit. I don't even think that myself, I see it as an opinion open to interpretation for everyone to deicde for themselves. TBH I don't even have an opinion as to who's better between Wilt and MJ because I haven't seen enough footage of Wilt playing full games. I wasn't even born yet so how tf would i know. I do maintain MJ was no scrub though. I just repsond to things that sound ignorant to me. a lot of times u talk about a lot of your opinions like they r facts set in stone, and people who don't agree or continue the argument all day and week after week r obviousely wrong and giving up. It aint that deep to me bro. To me they r opinions on the internet that don't mean much. I don't think of my opinions in that way. I see them simpy as that r, opinions which people can agree of disagree with, doesn't matter. Me responding to your claims is just how I see things. If u or anyone else don't agree that's fine. I guess without people like u this shit wouldn't be near as entertaining so do what u do, just cuz I argue back at times and fuck around with u it ain't nothing to take to heart.

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    I took the offense about my family. My Gran`s mentally unstable BTW and at the time my family were struggling to cope with her needs. Read my comment on the 2K16 Lakers Wilt page to understand my opinions.

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    and just a lil advice, take it or not. When u talk arrogantly and r constantly making bold statements and talking to people like they're idiots, it seems like u r trying to get attention. If u change your attitude up a lil and don't do that so much u aren't gonna get as much negative attention and arguments. When u make waves u rock the boat. It comes with the territory. You can have your opinions all day, but u can agree to disagree. When it seems u r trying to try to piss people off, best believe they r going to try to do the same thing to u. It's just a website not life or death. I know u weren't asking, but just my 2 cents anyway.

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    ? How else was I meant to speak? When everyone disagrees with you you cant exactly softly ask them to agree with you, it`s not like I wasn`t getting hammered with insults either. Talking like that`s how you get peoples respect in arguments like this, you say i`m getting negative attention, I did but for a while people have respected me and many even agree with me now. I don`t remember actually saying anything offensive BTW...

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    ok bro, I apologize I had no intention of offending you, I was just messing around. I ain't out to offend u or anyone else. If it's basketball argument that's one thing. I guess I shouldn't have said that. I thought everyone including u would realize it was a joke. I have no idea who u r or that your Grandma or whoever is unstable.

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    Strange time to pick up the conversation lol...

    0

    Yeah I just saw some of his other comments and that he was really taking offense to things. I hadn't looked at my profile in a while either so I didn't know who had responded to what.

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    You said something about families? I don't see anything.

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    All of them so much better than the HOFamer's I said... but they didn't sweep Wilt in the finals for more than 3 years in their prime while guarding him and starting at the same exact position while being taller and not giving Wilt an advantage in the post. Or if they dI'd it doesn't cout cout cuz Wit should've won every single game in the series anyway... U a clown, u lack intelligence and common sense

    2

    I don't understand what the hell you just said. Are you being sarcastic, joking or saying your honest opinion? I can't tell on any of it. In English please.

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    *Or if the did it doesn't count*
    and also btw I was being sarcastic

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    I still have no clue what you said.

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    See this is when i break in to tell you to actually watch some 1960's tape. MJ was troubled by the Bad Boy Pistons, but Wilt Chamberlain was never shut down. I Repeat, NEVER SHUT DOWN. No one could stop Wilt Chamberlain, not even Bill Russell. Those Celtics won because they simply had a great team that revolved around teamwork and discipline. Russell defends, Sam Jones and KC Jones Facilitate, and Heinsohn and Sanders score. Wilt Chamberlain had some Hall of Famers on his team, but the chemistry between his teammates and himself was never there in my opinion. IMO i think some of his teammates resented Wilt for being so talented. So there.

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    Maybe that's true, honestly never watched anything more than highlights of Wilt. I'm just going off what I'be heard other people who I consider very knowledgeable about basketball have said. I've heard a lot of basketball people say Russell had his # a lot and shut him down, but I wasn't even born yet so what do I know? Really can't say. I was just saying MJ was pretty damn hard to stop and it wasn't against watered down competition.

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    Russell never shut him down. Those people are ignorant fools.

    0

    Yeah, you know, I'm not really downgrading MJ. He was an insanely talented player and many teams couldn't stop him. I just find it kind of unfair that MJ is so hyped, while Wilt should be getting the same amount of hype or even more.

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    yeah I feel ya, but wilt was pretty hyped in his day. If he played in the 80's or 90's or after too, I'm sure he would prob get a lot more hype today. I know championships don't always determine how good a player is, if Wilt had more he'd prob be mentioned more. Not saying that's right, just how it its.

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    yeah I feel ya, but wilt was pretty hyped in his day. If he played in the 80's or 90's or after too, I'm sure he would prob get a lot more hype today. I know championships don't always determine how good a player is, if Wilt had more he'd prob be mentioned more. Not saying that's right, just how it its.

    1

    I remember MJ guarding Penny all the time... Doesn't matter though, not even talking bout MJ anymore, just saying there were many good guards back in the mid 90's, even if they weren't all in their prime and actually guarding or being guarded by Jordan.

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    But putting a PG or SF on a SG brings a disadvantage in terms of post game or lateral speed. I can't think of an out of prime SG that was great in the 90's apart from MJ.

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    Right cuz it's just impossible for a PG to be able to guard someone in the post, and SF's never have good lateral quickness... I bet u had never used the term lateral quickness, before 2K put it in the ratings.

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    And Jordan faced Payton even though he was PG. Payton actually did a good job on him though. I don't see how u say Bill Russell wasn't a good defender. I don't think many people would say that. He's pretty much known as the gretest or one of the greatest defenders the NBA has ever seen and he checked Wilt and had his # a lot in the post.

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    I don't understand why you're up in everyones faces about this. If people think one player is better than another thats their opinion. Stop trying to force your views on everyone

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    Because half of these comments, or any MJ related comments aren't MJ fans calling him the GOAT or anything... That's their opinions in your face, I'm just arguing mine.

    0

    You're starting pointless arguments that just end with you looking like a bigot. Nobodies going to change their opinions just because you think he wasnt that great. Keep it to yourself man

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    Really? Because people dislike and argue back. People who think MJ isn't GOAT won't Change their opinions either but there are comments on here saying that he is. More people disagree with me so argue against what I comment, why don't you complain about them?

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    Because you've literally written an essays worth of comments on it and nobody gives a fuck. You're arguing with every single person ffs. Have you nothing better to do with your time?

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    Really? Haven't people replied and disliked though? And all my "essay" comments have replies... Plus I do other things, hence why it took me 20 mins to reply.

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    You've got over 200 comments for fuck sake. You clearly dont have anything better to do. They have comments because you're pissing people off and baiting them

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    Really? Aren't I telling the truth? No ones proved me wrong. I've proved them wrong though... And what else am I going to do at midnight when I can't sleep? Apart from watch YouTube (which I do).

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    God you sound like you're about 13. You think theres nothing else to do apart from argue with people on a 2k site? tragic

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    What? Argue with people like you who are doing the same thing...

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    And believe it or not I don't spend my whole night refreshing this page. There are other things to do on the internet.

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    U make no sense either. How can the 2nd best basketball player of all time be "nothing special?"

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    I really meant he didn't achieve any more than others, I could probably have written that more clearly I'll admit.

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    You've been proved wrong over and over, but u just so damn stubborn, u have an excuse for why everything doesn't count. U need friends bro, u weird as hell. I think u just like saying dumb shit u know people will argue with, just so someone will pay attention to u. And there r plenty of other things to do even at night besides it.

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    Proved wrong over and over again? All you've done is turn an argument on whether the SG's in the 90's were good into an argument on whether PG's, SG's and SF's were good in the 90's, and for the sake of it I'll just say that there were a lot of great players at those positions (not really surprising considering they take up over half the players on court). How ether SF's can't really count as most of them had to guard Pippen, so wouldn't guard MJ so that leaves the SG' and PG's. If you look at it with pro MJ bias then you can say there were 10 odd "great" players MJ faced but that would still only make him play them 25-30 times a season, while due to less teams in the 60's Wilt would play "great centers" 40-50 times a season, and most of them were truly great.

    The only reason you say something so harsh is because people's will hate on me so will agree with you. If I wrote that about you I'd have 10 dislikes already. Man up, that's just pathetic.

    And believe it or not writing these comments don't take me all night.

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    U act the PG's only guard other PG's, SG's only guard SG's, SF's only guard SF's, all the time always no exceptions. Sometimes SG's r big, sometimes they r little, Sometimes they r fast, sometimes they r slow. Sometimes they can shoot, sometimes they r better at attacking the basket. They r not always the exact same universal thing physically or skill wise. Teams match up with the offense the best way the can stop them or slow them down, it doesn't matter if they r the exact same position naturally. When the Bulls beat the Lakers in 91 Jordan then Pippen guarded Magic all series. Teams all the time put their best defender on Lebron, it doesn't matter what their natural position is. That's just the game.

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    Actually I forgot Reggie Miller but he isn't that great IMO.

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    Live1mike Just now
    No, u r not right. They didn't have Oakley yet either dummy. He wasn't even in the NBA yet. Bulls traded for his rights from the Cavs after he was drafted later that year. U talk all this shit like u know so much more than anyone else about NBA history, but u don't know shit. And u didn't get 1 thing wrong, u got a bunch of shit wrong. I just pointed out 3 or 4 things that u got wrong, right off the top of my head.

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    U said the Bulls got swept by the Magic in 95. No they didn't.

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    And he had been outta the league playing baseball for a year and a half. The 95 Magic had a good team too. MJ had a good team, yes but so did Wilt in the championships he won wit Lakers. Jerry West, Baylor, and Goodrich weren't good?. U know that ain't true, u said it yourself about Elgin. I just thing it's funny how u completely disqualify MJ for not winning a championship his first 3 seasons, but it's ok for Wilt to do that cuz he won a game or two in the series. And then even when he got swept, oh its ok for him cuz the teams were great. The 60's had so few teams and Wilt had a decade to win a win a championship and didn't win one even though he was a freak athlete and amazing, even for his size, but it should've been easy if he's 5 times better than Bill Russell. U just sound biased in your views, but respect your opinon I guses.

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    Baylor and West were out of their prime then as was Wilt. And No because Havlicek, Sam Jones, Tom Heinsohn etc. were 5X better than Wilts teammates and Red Auerbach was 10X better than Wilts coaches and even Phil Jackson and Pop IMO. The 60's Celtics are the best team ever IMO so of course Wilt couldn't beat them by himself, even winning 2-3 games prove he is better than MJ, who couldn't win 2 against the mid 80's Bucks at the same stage of his career... And don't say it's because Moncrief was a great defender because it's not like Bill Russell was or anything. I respect your opinion too, I can still disagree with it though.

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    They were great, but the reason the old Celtics were considered so great is because they won all those championships. If Wilt would've won them all of even half of them people would all prob consider him and his team better. So now Tom Heinsohn is so good and Reggie Miller and Mitch Richmond aren't?

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    Averaging 20-10 on such a stacked team is good.

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    Obviously, u can disagree with me or anyone else on earth. And I never said a thing about Moncreif. Yes, West and Baylor were definitely past their prime, much as Pippen, Rodman, and Grant for the Bulls last 2 or 3 rings, and Gervin in 85. All were still good players for many years and prob all but Grant HOF. Wilt was sick though, not saying he wasn't. Never got to see him play though, but I did watch MJ's whole career.

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    Or not Grant, he was gone after the 3rd, my mistake.

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    Hence why I said "dont say about Moncrief".

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    Yeah, I got 1 thing wrong. The Bulls still lost easily when they shouldn't have and that doesn't prove MJ is the GOAT.

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    I never said MJ or anyone was the goat cuz it's a matter of opinion, not fact. I said u got some stuff wrong, which u did. I do agree this card is way outta control. The 95-96 Jordan was already good enough to be a pink diamond itself.

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    I just said MJ isn't GOAT, not that you thought he is. And I admitted to my mistake, one of which I just got messed up with. Why are you arguing against my comments if you don't think MJ is GOAT anyway?

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    Idk prob the same reason u wrote all your comments.

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    What do you mean? Surely you agree with me then?

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    Yeah, I do agree with u on some things, other I dont. I'm just speaking my mind, same as u did.

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    No, u r not right. They didn't have Oakley yet either dummy. He wasn't even in the NBA yet. Bulls traded for his rights from the Cavs after he was drafted later that year. U talk all this shit like u know so much more than anyone else about NBA history, but u don't know shit. And u didn't get 1 thing wrong, u got a bunch of shit wrong. I just pointed out 3 or 4 things that u got wrong, but u r so damn stubborn. U weird as hell bro. I think u enjoy saying dumb shit that u know people will argue with u about just to get some attention.

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    I never said specifically about MJ's rookie year I was talking about his first 3-4 years, the ones before Pippen, so Charles Oakley was his teammate for most of that time.

    And you may know more about the 90's but by the sound of it you know little about the 60's.

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    Do you even know who Sidney Moncrief is? Of course Jordan couldn't win by himself back then because #1. He was young, didn't have THAT talent yet, #2 Moncrief was one of the best defensive guards in the 80's, and was more than likely better than Jordan AT THAT TIME

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    Yes I know he was good hence why I said about him and Cummings, not some random benchwarmers. Howether a young Lebron could "win" (not titles but games and series) with a worse squad (MJ had Horace Grant, Orlando Woolridge and I guess an old George Gervin was still ok) and when he lost he didn't get swept unless the team was great. Not just Lebron but Wilt and a few others (remember I still think MJ's top 3) probably carried their teams further when they were young and throughout their careers. And so what if that part is still wrong in your mind? You still haven't disproved 4/5 of my comment...

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    Maybe MJ was overrated, but nothing special? Bruuuuuhhh

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    What did he do that no one else has done? Not much.

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    What did he do???? Are you seriously asking that question???It's too much to write down so here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmtCa94Io6M and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNx29_zXw6U and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqEL4CDWXR8

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    I don't get it. All this shows is how the whole nation was brainwashed by the media to think of MJ as "immortal" and the GOAT. It barley said anything actually explaining why he should be GOAT, it just said what happened in his career. It doesn't say about anything only he did specifically either. What was the point in you posting this?

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    Did I say that these videos were explaining why he is GOAT? No, i didn't, my point was to show you some of the things he has done. Watch the other videos btw.

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    Won 2 threepeats, 6 Finals MVP's, 10X Scoring Champ, 9X All-Defensive First Team, 3X All-Star Game MVP, Only Player to have his number retired by a team he never played for (Miami Heat), and Highest Career Scoring Average in both the Regular Season and Post Season.

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    Some of MJ's teammates and the 60's Celtics effectivly had multiple 3 peats. Players have also made more defensive teams and won more ASG MVPs while the FMVPs and scoring averages can be explained. Still 2 things ain't much.

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    Actually no player has made more all-defensive first teams than Jordan, there are players with the same amount. And the 60's Celtics essentially had no competition. They were playing in a league that contained a total of 9 teams including themselves. Not to mention the height of players at the time. When Bill Russell, whom I respect, is a center for your team and he's only 6'9, what does that tell me? That tells me that the NBA back then also had no size. The only other player to rival Bill Russell in size and skill was Wilt. Wilt had no one to help him our. Yes I agree with you that MJ is a bit overrated and so is Bill Russell. However credit should be given where credit is due. MJ played more competition than Bill Russell did which is what makes the 2 3peats different than the 8 championships in a row by the Celtics. I'm not saying MJ and Bill Russell aren't great because they were amazing players. But they were great in two very different Eras of Basketball.

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    Actually 4 players have had the same amount of all defensive first teams but although I said more that still means others have done it. I actually made a list of great centers from the 60's above and BTW I also think Bill Russell is overrated and was lucky that only 9 teams existed then and there was no free agency, making it easy to win a ring. Howether that means the league was far more condensed so as my comment explains these big men would individually play each other 5-10 times each season and overall play each other 50+ times a season, so it was tougher to play well individually.

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    But no one had more all-defensive first teams that was the point. And your point about individual play makes no sense. When playing the same person many times it will show you their strengths and weaknesses and vice versa. So when two people learn one another's playing style they will also learn to adjust to be able to overcome what ever is holding them back. So individual play was never tougher and should never matter due to the fact that basketball is a team sport.

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    Yeah but my original point was that MJ hasn't done many things that others havn't, and others have been on 9 defensive teams. Wilt had the ball in his hand a lot of the time, so the guys guarding him would learn how to stop him, you can't learn how people defend so that would have actually given Wilt a disadvantage.

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    Thank you! By the way, I think Bill Russell is the GOAT. 2K did him dirty this year.

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    Bruh, I think Bill Russell's as overrated as MJ (by people who don't think the 60s were weak). Nothing but un-earned rings and overrated defense (I made a comment about this below.) Wilt was 5X better than Bill. MJ + Russell = MOATs (most overrated of all time.) Still respect for not bandwagoning MJ, Kobe or Lebron!

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    So who do you think are the top 5 players of all time then? In order

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    1. Wilt
    2. MJ
    3. Magic
    4. Kareem
    5. Elgin Baylor (38-20 In his prime. He's the MUAT = Most underrated)
    The rest of my top 10 goes:
    6. Big O
    7. Hakeem
    8. Larry Bird
    9. Lebron (and rising)
    10.Kobe (Maybe, not sure about #10)

    <15. Bill Russell BTW

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    people show no respect to the 60s. its ridiculous. and so many people think that shaq was more dominant than wilt. He wasnt that amazing defensively and he never even topped 30ppg for one season.

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    FINALLY! I have found someone who actually appreciates what Elgin Baylor did in his prime. He was probably the 2nd best player during that era, other than Wilt. Elgin Baylor actually has the best scoring average in a season whose name is not Wilt.

    BTW I think Russell should be a little bit higher because he was an amazing rebounder and he knew how to fit in with a team that already had great scorers and facilitators.

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    Yep although that season was unofficial since he didn't play enough games, playing only 5-10 less games than required, I defiantly think that if that season counted he would be considered much better, it was the same year Wilt averaged 50 PPG and Oscar averaged a triple double so that took it out of the spotlight too. People remember West as the main guy on those Lakers because he won rings with them when he had Wilt and Goodrich but in the early-mid 60's Baylor was the main guy and if they beat the Celtics in the 1962 finals when he scored 61 points in game 2 I also think he would be considered as great as he was. People don't remember people from the 50's and 60's if they weren't part of a legendary team unfortunately, just look at Baylor, Thurmond, Arizin, Johnston, Yardley etc. compared to Russell, West, Havlicek, Barry, Lucas, Mikan etc., they were as good but aren't remembered.

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    you just hate every good player for no reason

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    No only MJ and Bill Russell. I don't even hate them just how overrated they are.

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    How are they overrated? MJ is amazing, have you seen his stats and some of the things he has done.

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    Have you read my comments about MJ? They're hard to miss...
    As for Russell (+ Steph Curry and MJ), compared to Wilt and Lebron they are losers, wondering how? Here:

    Warriors before Curry: 29-53
    Warriors after Curry's 1st season: 26-56 (With Monta Ellis 25PPG career year)
    Win difference: -3
    Warriors before Klay: 23-43 (adjusts to 28-54)
    Warriors after Klay's 1st season: 47-35 (with Monta Ellis leaving)
    Klay's win difference: 19
    Warriors before Klay, Green, Barnes, Speights career years (and Steve Kerr): 51-31
    Warriors after those things: 67-15
    Curry's teammates and coach win difference: 16
    Overall Curry V everyone else win difference: 38 wins to everyone else (or -38)

    Celtics record before Bill Russell = 39-33
    Celtics record after Russell's rookie year = 44-28
    5 win difference
    Celtics record in Russell's last season = 48-34
    Celtics record without Russell (2 years later) = 44-38
    4 win difference
    Total = 9 win difference

    Bulls record before MJ = 27-55
    Bulls record before MJ's 1st season = 38-44
    11 win difference
    Bulls before Pippen = 40-42
    Bulls when MJ leaves Pippen = 55-27
    -15 win difference
    Total = -4 win difference

    Cavs record before Lebron = 17-65
    Cavs record after Lebron's 1st season = 35-47
    18 win difference
    Cavs record with Lebron = 67-15
    Cavs record when Lebron leaves = 19-63
    48 win difference
    Total = 66 win difference

    Warriors record before Wilt = 32-40
    Warriors record after Wilt's 1st season = 49-26
    17 win difference
    Warriors record in Wilt's last season there = 49-26
    Warriors record when Wilt leaves = 17-63
    32 win difference
    Total = 49 win difference

    Bill Russell stats in his prime, 1964-65:
    42MPG
    14PPG
    44% FG%
    57% FT%
    19.5 PER

    Nikola Vucevic stats this season:
    34MPG
    19PPG
    52% FG%
    75% FT%
    21.5 PER

    Bill Russell = top 5 center all time.
    Nikola Vucevic = not top 5 center in center weak league.

    Enough?

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    Dude I agree with you on most of the things you have said on 2kmtcentral, but why did you use 2 years after Russell left, instead of the first year after he left, when the Celtics went 34-48? Calculating that you get 19 win differential, which is the same as Klay Thompson. Agreed, Wilt is way better then Bill Russell, but Bill probably has more win differential because he only played 48 games in his rookie season, and after he joined the team he added on 7 wins when subtracting the winning games and the losing. I agree that he is not the GOAT, and may not be a top 10 player, but he definitely helped his team win more games than 9.

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    Mj avreged more points, assists, and steals than Wilt.

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    Points: Wilt spent half his career as a facilitator while MJ was a scorer his whole career. Wilt averaged around 40 PPG during the 5-6 years he was a scorer.

    Assists: Wilt is a center, MJ is a SG, enough said. Although I will mention that despite the positions Wilt has a higher single season APG than MJ so considering the positions is better at assisting.

    Steals: These weren't counted in Wilt's career. Did you really not know that?

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    Also, another thing you messed up was you said Klay Thompson's rookie year, which you said was the year they went 47-35. Actually, during Klay Thompson's rookie year, they decreased from 36-46, to 23-43(equates to about 28-54), so technically his win differential is -8.

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    Mj's a loser? Crack much?

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    "Compared to Lebron and Wilt". I said that because Lebron and Wilt are considered losers even though they clearly aren't looking at this while MJ is considered one of the greatest winners ever. Again incorrect.

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    Looking back at Michael Jordan's long and illustrious career, I think the quality that sets him apart from all other players is that he set the bar of excellence at such a high level that in our immediate future, his status is unlikely to ever be challenged.

    When Michael came into the league, he came in with an explosion by averaging 28.2 points in his very first year, shooting 51.5 percent from the field, 84.5 percent from the line, and adding 6.5 rebounds and 5.9 assists a game. So for all of the people who say that he was wasn't a complete player and didn't do everything on the court, I say to them he did do everything! In his very first year!

    True, Michael wasn't what you would call an automatic three-point shooter, but he was never that throughout his career. In 13 seasons, Michael shot 33.2 percent for his career from beyond the three-point arc, but because of his greatness, once he got on a roll he could shoot you out of a game by hitting three-pointer after three-pointer. Once again though, that was developed over the 13 years.

    From the outset of his career, Michael possessed an unparalleled quickness off the dribble, and his ability to dribble with either hand and finish in the lane with an explosion separated him from the rest of the players in the league. Plus, he always backed up his drives with the high shooting percentages, so defending him was nearly impossible. You could never foul him, because he'd go to the line and make 85 percent. What they had in Chicago was this incredible diamond, but a diamond surrounded by less than a playoff-type athlete.

    As his career went on, the Bulls put in the missing pieces. They added Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant in 1987 to give them their "Big Three" and once that happened, common thought was that Michael's game had exploded when in reality he had a complete game when he first came in. Now, he had the supporting cast to help transform individual success into team success.

    As his career moved on, there was a slight step back because of age, but he always had the medium game, those eight to 15 foot shots that are missing in basketball today. Not only did he have that tough medium game, but he could always finish his drives when he went to the hole because of his incredible leaping ability. And at the end of his career, Michael transformed himself into one of the best post-up players in the NBA. He was nearly unstoppable because he perfected his bump and fadeaway jump shot. That one move, never mind all of the other things that he could do with his back to the basket, made him one of the most dominating post players in the game.

    Before he retired in 1993 to pursue a baseball career, you would always double team him and he still couldn't be stopped because of his ability to elevate. Once he elevated, it just came down to whether he made the shot or not. As a coach you could: a.) try to take the ball out of his hands; or b.) force him into a bad percentage shot. Neither choice is really correct because regardless of whether he would either make the shot or not make the shot, he understood how to beat the double team, and that alone was dangerous.

    How would I coach against him? That's not an easy question and I don't know if I'm qualified because he scored 50 points on us twice during my last year in New York! In fact, there is that famous picture of him falling out of bounds right into our Knicks bench as he hit for two of those 50. The trouble was, we didn't have two guys on him, we had three and he still made the shot! We've all seen that type of play at least a thousand times, the play where Jordan could make the spectacular seem so normal.

    When you look at everything that Michael Jordan has accomplished from his game attendance to the six NBA championships, six Finals MVPs and five league MVPs, it's easy to see why he is considered the greatest of all time. When people debate over the greatest players of all time, and what players can transcend every era from the 1940s to present day, these people will pick a certain player because of a position that they like. Some guys like small forwards, some guys like centers, some guys like guards, some guys like power forwards and they'll pick one of their guys at those positions. But in Michael Jordan you had a guy who could give you everything.

    From a defensive standpoint, when the Bulls won their first three championships, Jordan was not only a scorer, rebounder and assist man, but as a defender, he was the best double team post-up guy in the league. Not only did he play the two guard position defensively against one of the top scorers on your team and shut him down, but he also was the designated double team guy. And no matter which side the ball went in on, he would come and double team, and that's a facet of his game which people forget because he was always in the top three in steals because of the size, wing span, incredible quickness, and anticipation.

    Bill Russell won five MVP awards, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar won six, but the element of Jordan's game which separates him from all the rest is his attendance. Michael played 13 years, playing all 82 games eight times. Ten times Jordan played 80 or more games, one year he only played 18 games due to a broken foot, one year he played only 17 games after coming back from baseball, and there's only one other year he played 78 games. That competitive fire and desire to play and desire to win is second to none. Michael showed up to give you 30 or more points on a nightly basis, with the great shooting percentages, with the rebounding, with the assists and never sacrificed anything on the other end of the floor, where he gave you nine years of First Team All-Defense. There's nobody that's done that. When they compare him for competitiveness, the only guy in the same breath with Jordan is Bill Russell. Russell backed up his game with 11 championships as the heart and soul of the Boston Celtics. Russell's rebounding, shot-blocking and total defensive dominance from the foul line down is unmatched. But nobody in the history of the game has dominated at both ends of the floor like Michael Jordan. Therein lies the difference.

    Michael Jordan simply leaves the game as the best player ever to play, and I don't think there is any argument over that. At the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland when they celebrated the the top 50 players in NBA history, it was interesting because it was nearly unanimous among the players was that this guy is the greatest player to ever play. To me that thought is interesting because of its absolute nature.


    Is this enough?

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    I do honestly agree that MJ did many amazing things like you said that make him one of the GOAT's. How ether you didn't compare him to anyone else, I mean Wilt was at least as good as MJ at those things (apart from shooting of course) for example you say about how MJ made an impact in his rookie year but Wilt won MVP in his rookie year with stats MJ never matched in his career. You probably think Wilt was just stat padding and not helping his team while MJ was the "complete package". Well not really when you consider Wilt took a 32-40 team to a 49-26 record and improved his team mates game. Proof? Here:

    Warriors star Paul Arizin in 1957-58:
    PPG: 20.7
    RPG: 7.4
    APG: 2.0
    FG%: 39%
    FGA: 18.1

    Arizin in 1958-59 (Wilts rookie year):
    PPG: 26.4 (a career high for a 2X scoring champ, 2nd in the league to Wilt)
    RPG: 9.1 (Wilt not exactly "stealing" boards)
    APG: 1.7 (not exactly "feeding" Wilt)
    FG%: 43%
    FGA: 20.9 (Wilt not exactly "hogging" the ball)

    But I guess MJ must have led his 27-55 team to at least 45-50 wins, well no he only led them to 11 more wins and most of his team mates left the team in the 3 years after MJ joined...

    You say Pippen joining "completed" the bulls but if you look at the record Pippen didn't complete but, really, made them.

    And you use attendance to show MJ's greatness, when Wilt missed only 8 MINUTES of an entire 80 game season.

    You also use "all round" skill and FG% as a reason for MJ being the GOAT but I'm pretty sure Wilt is the only player to put up 24-24-8 on 68% shooting and in the process lead the league in assists as a center.

    Wilt was a great defender so I don't find that bit relevant, 7'1", 48" vertical, 325 lbs, 500 lbs bench press, reported 26 block game, once broke a guy's arm on a blocked dunk etc. and all while NEVER fouling out, you ain't getting an easy bucket on that in the paint...

    I also don't get what "competitive fire" is supposed to mean. Wilt dominated both ends of the floor more than MJ and helped his team more. I've already explained all of this though so no, this isn't really enough.

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    You think Wilt's goat, I think mi's goat. I respect your opinion, however both of these guys and others have shaped the nba into what it is today.

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    So did u play or coach on the Knicks then?

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    i agree with klayy

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    Thanks Dwayne, you the real best SG in the league!

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    I know this little "debate" is like 4 years old, but can we all just agree that Brian Scalabrine is the real G.O.A.T?

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    When he is released in 2k16 then yeah... I guess...

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    yep, i knew that wasn't funny

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    Umm, I didn't say a thing about Lebron?

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    Boii is u dumb legoat is the goat

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    This card has better rebounding stats than 7'4 Mark Eaton...

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    #LockerCodesMustGo

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    They should make a special badge for MJ called "goat"

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    What a stat sheet no one will surpass this man

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    Join the kick group chat - #PinkDiamondMichaelJordan for next time they drop codes like this .

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    i still want this card :(

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    Look at this scrub commenting on 2k15!!


















    kys

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    @tupac he threatened me

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    no cuz it was





















    **A PRANK**

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    it was a joke we were doing.... -_______-

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    i know






















    mine was too lmfao ill stop

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    Thank



















    you

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    okay that was pretty funny im not gonna lie

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    Damn I feel for you, someone just gave u a downvote atomic bomb, cuz i even upvoted that last one and its at zero

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    oh shit, i see it. i comes and gos here lol

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    Very true, nothin u can really do about it

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    PD MJ tomorrow??

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    2017 comment

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    I have him and he can't miss. I feel like I'm cheating while using him.

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    ok, i guess your right.

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    Please rate my lineup and give me suggestions

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    I looked up Brian Scalabrine Nudes, How did I get here?

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    yay i finally get a pink diamond!!!!!!!!!

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    Wow I need to get this

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    Does anyone have guesses for when this is coming out?

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    lol all those comments

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    Rate my new lineup please :)

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    He is somehow really inconsistent for me.. idk why..

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    One more shot!!!!!!!!!!!

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    @DamianDolla0 is a fucking dick sucking chink and will never know that i said this shit, he also loves midget porn

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    Hes a baller

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    no

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    Get tf off my nuts dogg

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    How am I on your nuts? I decided to go see which Jordan I can get to replace my other Ruby one. Then I was looking at the comments then I saw your name. You want a lot of attention, I can tell.

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    I am from the future... This is just like the Pink Diamond Charles Barkley in 2k17

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    wow in real life jordan was ass from 3

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    Lol I remember this

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    who remembers when locker codes were absolutely retarded

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    can someone please help me how to get mt?

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    smh 99 mid and moving mid lol

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    hey guys can you go check out my lineup and give me suggestions

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    Rate my lineup thanks

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    Hey, can anoyone rate my current lineup please? Thanks

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    i'm from 2017!

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    great times when the best card in the game was for people who typed the fastest

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    A bunch of guys need to realize that during MJ's career, he wasn't even considered the best player of all time, like LeBron is right now. Only after his career was over people looked at his stats and kind of stretched the truth to tell people he was the goat.

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    Way better than PD Kobe, when it comes to stats

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    Please rate my lineup for the Yao ming Challenge

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    Selling these players on xbox one:
    Onyx Ray Allen- Buy now for 34,900
    Ruby Dunker Dominique- Buy now for 34,000
    Ruby Shawn Kemp- Buy now for 36,000
    Ruby Frobe 97/98- Buy now for 50,350
    Ruby Gerald Green- Buy now for 19,650
    And if anybody is done with my team buy Brendan Haywood for 50,400

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    Someone wanna rate my lineup?

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    rate my lineup pleaseeee :)

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    Im from the future. its ok locker codes will be completely useless by 2k17.

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    What was 2K thinking with these Pink Diamonds? SMH

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    Y does he have 96 3 pointer, he was ass

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    Looking back at how overpowered this card was #tbt

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    Who wants to wager me?

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    With the amount of people that supposedly have PD MJ, i guess they gave out a few thousand of them, huh?

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    Just got him today... Greatest player of all time and in 2k. Jumpers wet like pink diamond Stephen currys. But, at times can feel slow and get contested. Post fade away is also cheese. Can't really stop this man if you don't know how to play perfect d or because of patch 4. Also, shout out to those who got him. real grind... Sorry, to those who didn't and I feel you guys cuz I didn't get the player I truly wanted carmelo ... So, ya .... Pce yo.

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    Can I get a rate on my lineup updated? If so thanks

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    Only 4 stats under 75= GOAT!

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    Please comment on my lineup?

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    http://2kmtcentral.com/lineups/61101/bl4ckdevil21-xbone-mt
    I got him and Lebron pls check it out!

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    Rate my lineup pls need help

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    PLEASE RATE MY LINEUP!

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    Da fake GOAT

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    WHY 2k WHYYYYYYYYYY?!?!?

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    SHUT THE FUCK UP

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    I'm talking about this card not all PD's. If I was arguing against all PD's then I would go to the collection, I never said I disagreed with them all (although I do).

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    NOT GOAT, stupid card, has 96 3 but had a worse % with a short 3 pt line than Eric Gordon had this season, will be so unrealisticly unstoppable it's unreal, not even close to his best season just his teams as his team mates improved when he left so when he returned they were better, will ruin the game like he ruined the NBA etc.

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    You do realize that these are all fantasy stats. All Pink Diamonds have Fantasy stats. If you have ever seen the 2k Stream on Twitch they have said it their before. Pink Diamonds are not supposed to realistic.

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    Those things apply to his normal 95-96 card though...

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    You should probably go back and check because the gold 95-96 doesn't have 80+ rebounding or 90+ passing accuracy.

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    Yeah but it does have A+ playmaking (when Jordan averaged a mere 4.3 APG), B- rebounding (Jordan averaged 6.6 RPG, not really justifying it), B- post defense (I mean really? He's a SG!) and 90 three ball (obvious really). His 1996 cards is a rediculous fantasy card from not even close to his best season. I can live with 99 overall MJ's but a card as OP as his 1996 card especially in that season is just too far.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GQzh1-0jx8 Even LeBron says so

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    Umm, that's Lebron's opinion. KD thinks Kobe's GOAT so as he's the 2nd best current NBA player Kobe's 2nd GOAT? Have you seen a player even give a proper, fact based explanation for their opinion on the GOAT? Most of its for media anyway.

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    Did you watch wilt play?

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    No but that's my point, you can't judge MJ v Wilt on what you saw of MJ because 95%+ of NBA fans didn't see Wilt play. I never said I watched Wilt play, just that you can't judge MJ against him from what you saw of MJ. You have to use stats otherwise it's unfair.

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    LOL clutch? 5-23 in a finals game, 1-12 record in the playoffs from 1985-87, swept by a worse team (Magic 1995), destroyed by tough defense (pistons), complained like a baby when defeated (Pistons again), only faced a good SG once (Drexler) in the finals when he was the opponents only HOF player, needed Rodman and Grant to lock down and out rebound 90s bigs, needed shortened 3 point line for famous "clutch moment"(the "shrug"), admittedly hit a clutch shot in game 6 of the 1998 finals but it seems less impressive when you realise Steve Kerr did the same thing in game 6 of the 97 finals and gets no credit for it, of course the Jazz could of tied it but the Bulls stole the ball (Pippen) and scored a dunk (Kukoc), of course this wouldn't have happened if malone hadn't been locked down all series (by Rodman). Notice I just named the Bulls main 5 that won them the game and series, apart from one such "clutch" player. Like Bill Russell MJ is considered clutch as he won many rings as the best player on his team, how ether if you look into it you will realise both of these guys team mates came up with many clutch moments themselves. Look at MJ v Lebron on playoff game winners, Lebron's is as impressive but because he isn't 6-6 people say he isn't clutch and forget his clutch moments. MJ = Overrated clutchness, overrated everything!

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    Basketball is not only about the stats, its about the dedication and love for the game. Jordan was not a very good 3 point shooter in general but he is still the GOAT.

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    What does that mean? 100's of players show more dedication than MJ, Lebron, wilt etc. End of the bench guys fighting for their careers who practice 24/7 and grasp every piece of playtime to save their livelihood. So by your logic those guys are better than Wilt (and MJ for that matter) as they show more effort and dedication. Ok then... "Dedication" means nothing when judging skill and ability in games!

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    you have obviously never watched Jordan play.

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    And you've watched Wilt play? Precisely...

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    But non are close to this one. Also the normal 95-96 Jordan is the best card in the game when it shouldn't be

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    The MJ fanboys are taking longer than expected to destroy this comment...

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    I hope you're trolling...

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    Look up the stats on what I'm talking about, there all right. You fanboys might want to educate yourself on your hero, he wasn't perfect you know And you don't have to believe what I'm saying to believe this is a stupid card, I mean, LOOK AT IT! WHYYYYY SO OP?

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    I do agree that the 3 point shot might be a little exaggerated, but anyone who ever saw this man play, has seen spectacular. Mj played the best basketball that the world might ever see, anyone who would contradict this statement and say that mj is bad or trash must be suffering from plenty of STDs.

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    I never said he's trash just grossly overrated. I still think he's top 3 all time.

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    top 3???? He is the best and most likely will always be the best the world has ever seen

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    Have you read my comment a bit up the page jmozz993? It will explain why your wrong!

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    Top three goats
    1. Lebron yes Lebron stfu Lebron I said it boii Lebron ok so stfu
    2. Jordan ex goat
    3. Bill Russell 11 chips
    Lebron better passer better rebounder
    Makes teammates better 5 straight final
    Dominates the era better than Jordan dominated it
    FUK all haters
    #CAVS2015CHAMPS

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    Haha funny because they LOST!

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    not really funny actually he had no team and u and i both know that this was the greatest finals performance u will ever see
    kobe or jordan would have shitted 4-0 and lose against the warriors

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    Mmkay most players can get that many points judging by his field goal percentage and shot attempts.

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    I had 11 chips for tea last night. Am I now top 3 of all time by your logic?

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    obviously u don't know basketball or u are just a joke
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    So Sam Jones should as well? You've seen my explanation for MJ being overrated and guess what, I have one for Bill Russell as well...
    And obviously the chips thing was a joke!

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    but bill russell was the leader of the team

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    Only on defense. Jones and Havlicek ran the offense and had the clutch plays (Russell admits Jones hit 4 series saving shots for the Celtics and "Havlicek stole the ball".) Russell never averaged 20PPG despite 45 MPG and a fast paced team as well as shooting 44% for his career. And if you think he was the reason they won due to defense or something just look at the record before he joined, 39-33, then look at it after 1 season with Russell, 44-28 with 2 other HOF players joining. How ether if you know about Russell you'd know that he missed half of this season so to prove this fully look at the record when he played the whole of the next season, 49-23, this is only another 5 game improvement and with yet another HOF player (Sam Jones) joining Russell didn't seem to help much at all. When he left and retired along with many of the HOF "supporting cast" the Celtics were winning rings again within 5 years with Havlicek still leading and Dave Cowens winning an MVP, not much suffering after losing "the greatest team-mate of all time" for the Celtics there...

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    according to the nba bill russell was the leader of that team not just defensively but in everything

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    Bruh he was never top 3 in PPG or APG for the Celtics, just RPG, he had no offense at all. And what do you mean according to the NBA? I don't get that, most "NBA experts" are idiots who just say what the people want to hear (ie "MJ is GOAT" etc.) with no stats or evidence as most people will believe it, like you clearly do.

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    So then lebron is the goat

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    No, I don't see how you can even judge him yet. Maybe in 10 years he will be...

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    if lebron wins the chip this year he did it by himself he is the goat

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    Wilt basically got to the finals 10 straight years by himself. I know he lost to the Celtics in the conference finals most years but that might as well have been the finals since the Celtics destroyed the Lakers most of the time in the real finals. And I still don't see how Lebron can be judged so early in his career, MJ was still In the Bulls first 3 peat when he was Lebron's age, I doubt many considered him GOAT at that stage (I still don't.)

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    abusing a russel GOAT supporter that has no evidence unlike me

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    But there was Jerry West and he dont miss but otherwise true

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    Haha he didnt!!!!!!!!!!!