'71 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar diamond card

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Name Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Edition 1971
Theme Historic
Collection Bucks Franchise 1
Position C / PF
Age 23
Height 7'2"
Weight 225lbs
From UCLA
Nickname The Captain
Plays Post Up Low
Sell Value 5000
Added September 30th, 2015
?????
Not checked yet
500,000
July 23rd, 2016
6,000,000
June 20th, 2016

99 Overall

82 Outside scoring

  • 92 Standing shot mid
  • 89 Moving shot mid
  • 30 Standing shot 3pt
  • 33 Moving shot 3pt
  • 98 Shot IQ
  • 84 Free throw
  • 99 Off. consistency

97 Inside scoring

  • 98 Standing shot close
  • 98 Moving shot close
  • 98 Standing layup
  • 84 Driving layup
  • 95 Standing dunk
  • 65 Driving dunk
  • 80 Contact dunk
  • 97 Draw foul
  • 98 Post control
  • 99 Post hook
  • 97 Post fadeaway
  • 98 Hands

52 Playmaking

  • 48 Ball control
  • 58 Passing accuracy
  • 46 Passing vision
  • 70 Passing IQ

87 Athleticism

  • 85 Speed
  • 79 Acceleration
  • 68 Vertical
  • 94 Strength
  • 98 Stamina
  • 98 Hustle
  • 98 Overall durability

90 Defending

  • 90 On-ball def. IQ
  • 95 Low post def. IQ
  • 94 Pick & roll def. IQ
  • 95 Help def. IQ
  • 42 Lateral quickness
  • 92 Pass perception
  • 88 Reaction time
  • 70 Steal
  • 94 Block
  • 89 Shot contest
  • 95 Def. consistency

98 Rebounding

  • 98 Offensive rebound
  • 98 Defensive rebound
  • 98 Boxout

3712 Total attr.

Updates OVR POS INS OUT PLY ATH DEF REB
06/15/16 (Viewing) 99 C PF 97 82 52 87 90 98
10/27/15 97 C PF 96 77 52 79 89 96

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  • 108

    A few weeks ago when Reward Kareem released 2K Stauff said on twitter that this Kareem would not be released this year. Now, he has been upgraded to a 99 overall with a clear plan of release while 2K leaves people who played 111 games to get him with a 97 overall Kareem either to accept there second-tier version or to pay for the upgrade and forget about all there work.

    34

    like your comment, but not ur username...lol

    11

    Also another thing I just noticed. The Rewards Kareem they gave us has a foul tendency of 99, this Historical Kareem has a foul tendency of 10. The foul tendency will effect how often a player will foul someone whether you are manually controlling him or not, so 2K pretty much is doing everything they can to ruin the 97 Rewards Kareem they gave us.

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    5

    Just realised Kareem has no MVP card. Holds the record for most MVPs but still doesn't deserve an mvp card on 2k.

    2

    This card is way better tho and OP

    0

    RTTF was such a grind and I come here to find that you get a better version just for being lucky? THIS IS PURE BS 2K YOU SHALL PAY FOR THIS BLASPHEMY.

    0

    I saw reward Kareem on the auction house the other day

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    0

    i've seen kidd

    -2

    Sorry, i dont understand - u can only get this card by winning it by beating all rttp right? So are u saying that if u won it before the update, u got the 97 KAJ, but if u win now, u get the 99 instead? So the 97s aren't updated to a 99?

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    5

    No... You get Patrick Ewing for rttP; you get Kareem for beating rttF.

    This 99 Kareem isn't a reward, but instead a historic card that you get from packs.

    -7

    lol you got this off nickthebullsfan

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    5

    I pay no attention to streamers, other people can have thoughts for themselves you know? I woke up Wednesday morning went to this site and saw this blasphemy, I didn't contact a streamer to tell me how to feel first. Maybe he saw my comment and got it off of me :0. Anyways, what did he say?

    0

    sorry, it just sounded like what he saud

  • 52

    They make this card a 99 while leaving the rewards one a 97, what an absolute kick in the balls holy shit.

    18

    I spent so many hours in that mode.... just to get the worse version? The REWARD card should be 98-99, not this. How did he get worse in 1 year?

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    2

    I will gladly have a 99 post hook 88 shot mid 78 speed 7'2 Center. Only around 40 ish people are going to get this card anyway, I don't really know why you all are complaining, the 97 is still a GREAT card, and just because a better version exists doesn't make the other one trash.

    4

    That's not what anyone is complaining about at all you missed the point entirely. Nobody thinks the rewards Kareem is trash, but they lead us on to grinding for hours and hours and hours for the supposed best Center in the game, only to release literally the same player out of packs that's significantly improved compared to the Rewards one. It's a spit in the face by 2K to everyone who grinded for Rewards Kareem by releasing a better version for all the people who buy mt and buy packs to enjoy.

    0

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    3

    (Pressed enter mid-comment so I deleted)

    1. I don't see how the 97 kareem was lead onto be the "Best center in the game", This is basketball, and center is easily the most stacked position of all time with greats like Bill russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, etc etc.. So i dont see how you would believe that a 97 kareem would be the best center by the end of the year.

    2. Its out of packs, lets be realistic, whos ACTUALLY going to pull this card with these terrible packs that are out.

    3. Its the end of the year, and I think 2k just doesnt give a shit about the rules anymore about "Jordan is the only 99" and is releasing 99's

    4. Key word "out of packs", meaning you have to spend money to get him, unlike the people that grinded for 97 kareem cost-free

    5. 2k has been spitting in peoples faces for years, have you ever opened a pack at all?

    I'm kind of being an ass with these statements because I haven't grinded out Kareem, but I think you guys need to relax on these 99's. These cards are just for the exclusive, BUT I can see how 2k is being complete asses by releasing the same card but a better version.

    To sum it up, a card is a card is a card, and this card is probably un-pull able, so can we just accept the fact that there is 1 Kareem card in the game thats better then another Kareem card that has to be earned, and can we accept the fact that this card basically doesn't exist until some 11 year old uses there moms credit card to pull a pack, and then puts this card up on the auction block for 1 million and some rich youtuber buys it, makes a video, and then 2k17 is out.

    0

    1. If you open enough packs, you are bound to get a good player, possibly that Kareem. And it actually does cost MT to get that Kareem, due to the fact that you actually have to buy players for the challenges.

    2. You didn't grind out the Kareem, so you can't really understand how hard it was. 8min quarters, 32min games, 8hrs per series, 56hrs in total by my calculations. Not to mention that you have to play 4 games after 4 games (assuming you win them all) against the same teams, which is extremely boring at times, as well as the inbetween moments where you are buying and selling players and applying contracts and such.

    3. Lemme explain this in the simplest way possible. To get the reward card you have to spend about 60 hours, buying and selling cards and playing grueling games against the CPU. Or you can open a random pack and get a better version of the card. Yes I know not many people will pull it, but some people will. So overall its a huge kick in the guts that I and other ppl spent so much time and put in so much effort while others can just get lucky.

    Now that I say this, it really sounds like 2k15 lockercodes.

    0

    I don't know if you open packs, but If you do, you know how aids the odds are. Ive opened possibly 100+ packs and my best pull was mvp AI

    0

    I've opened probably about 200 packs and haven't even gotten an amethyst yet. Trust me I know how bad packs are.

    0

    Exactly. I think in the next 2k, they should make it so like every 100+ packs you are guaranteed a diamond so people don't go diamond-less in the year.
    But not the Shitty 1k packs, like for example if you open up 100 DPOTY packs your guaranteed a Diamond, and 80 with curry packs, etc etc..

    0

    Lol I opened 15 DPOY packs and got DPOY Marc Gasol..... I was done with 2k after that I didn't play for a while.

    -1

    Not a single point you just made was relevant to my point at all. I'm angry about 2K prioritizing a packable card over a reward card. I don't care how many people have the 99 Kareem, I don't care what the pack odds are, I don't care if he's not the actual best Center in the game, I am annoyed that 2K once again sold out and left people who properly grind this game out to dry. I'm annoyed at 2K's business practices, and just because they fuck up so much else doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here and just accept it like "Oh well classic 2K, what are ya gonna do?". So no, I'm not gonna just accept that there's a Kareem card that can be bought out better than the one I spent hours of my life to obtain.

    0

    I consider myself a very good sniper at 2K. I'm guessing that in a week or two that I will be able to buy the Historic Kareem on the AH for about 300K badged out. I snipe around 25K MT/hour, actually I've been doing more than that recently, so thats about 12 hours of sniping. I played 60 hours to earn this rewards Kareem. So by my calculations I had to play against the CPU about 5x as much as I'll have to snipe to get the better version of the card. Now that is complete BS.

    I'm sorry, not really because I'm only offending 2K, but 2K's whole system is completely broken. The fact is that 2K has become one of the shittiest companies, one of the Comcast of the world, that could not give less of a shit about its customers (and they show that pretty strongly). 2K has one objective: Make as much money as possible. Every single thing that 2K commits to they end up abandoning it because they found something new that can make them more money. 2K started the year by stating that Jordan would be the only 99 in this brand new hall of fame rating system that they had, but they now have 4 99 overalls available and Historical Kareem is the only 99 overall in the game without a stat boost because it comes in a unique pack LMAO. 2K at the beginning of the year said that they were finally going to give the people who grinder through the game a reward, a 97 overall Kareem. Finally all that work would be worth it, but guess what? The second 2K is running out of ideas they throw in a 99 overall, not because they give two cents about the consumers but because they have abandoned 2k16 for 2k17 and are looking for as many ways to bleed money out of people craving for a better MyTeam and packs.

    The point is 2K has sent its message and its a simple one: don't ever grind for anything in this game again. Don't ever try to make a good team by actually playing the game. There are 3 ways to make MT points: become a good sniper and spend hours doing that, spend $3,000 dollars on VC, or buy $300 dollars of MyTeam Points from Goldah/sellers (which 2K is obviously okay with since they have nothing bad to say about CashNasty).

    0

    I work for that Kareem and found about this

    I put in a locker code for a pink diamond Karl Malone and typed the fastest in my life but 2k "accidentally" added a + sign in the end which screwed me up and made me give up on locker codes

    Like you said 2k needs to fix their business practices and they the way the strategize ANYTHING

    3

    this really is a straight up spit in the face because these stats arent accurate at all you can teel they are purposefully juiced, first of all kareem never even shot above 80% from FT in his whole career

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    1

    i really dont think tat many centers have done that but hey, 99 ovr. not complaining

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  • 44

    kareem means generous and hakeem means wise in arabic :)

    15

    He's generous to whatever team he's on

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    -6

    Since when did getting 3.8 assists per game mean you're generous

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    0

    It was actually 4.6 assists, and he's a center, who also averaged 34.8 points

  • 20

    Him as my center and russell as my power forward... *Orgasms*

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    22

    The 91 overall wilt is worse then both. I wasn't talking about real life

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    2

    u know not what u speak of

  • 14

    Jordan and Kareem are for sure top two players all time. Jordan is somewhat hyped given he attracted greater media attention and publicity. By contrast, Kareem was very quiet and played during an era with a smaller basketball profile, meaning the casual fan knows far more about Jordan.

    But look Kareem up. The guy scored more points than Jordan, has more MVPs than Jordan, has the same number of rings as Jordan. Kareem and Jordan have the same number of All-NBA First Team selections, though Kareem holds the record for most total All-NBA selections.

    To pick just one season: 1975–76 Los Angeles .529 FG% 16.9 RPG 5.0 APG 1.5 SPG 4.1 BPG 27.7 PPG.

    It's legitimately a toss-up

    11

    For a guy named Klay is Gay you certainly have similar opinions to him

    Jordan is most definitely the greatest player of all time. He is number one in PPG for a career, number one in PPG in the playoffs, number one in PER for a career.

    Before you come up with the (valid) argument that PER really only factors in offense and doesn't really take into account his defense here are some lovely stats from the Nobody Touches Jordan YouTube account.

    2001 Wizards
    - 2nd worst in ppg allowed the year before.

    Up to the injury game
    2002 Wizards = allowed 92.2 ppg through 47 games (Jordan missed 1 game)
    - would be tied for 6th-best in the league with the Pistons.

    2002 Wizards = allowed 92.0 ppg in the 46 games Jordan played
    - would be tied for 5th best in the league with the Nets

    After Jordan's injury
    2002 Wizards = allowed 96.8 ppg in the remaining 35 games
    - would be ranked 19th in the league
    - and fell to 11th in ppg allowed for the overall season.

    and again, Rip was missing 5 weeks in the first half of the season, so Jordan's defensive impact is actually greater than what those numbers show

    The Wizards started the season off slow with a 2-9 start
    - and allowed 98.4 ppg during the 2-9 start
    - on pace for 5th worst in the league

    In Jordan's last 35 games pre-injury after the 2-9 start
    - the Wizards allowed 90.0 ppg
    - on pace for 3rd best in the league

    When Jordan and Rip Hamilton played together, they were 15-1 in their last 16 games together up to the injury
    - The Wizards allowed 86.3 ppg in that 15-1 stretch
    - Easily on pace for the best in the league
    - The 2002 Heat were number 1 at 88.7 ppg allowed

    The 2001 Wizards were 2nd worst in ppg allowed with Rip Hamilton playing 78 games. The 2002 Wizards were by far the best in the league in ppg allowed when MJ and Rip played together. adding a 38-year old Jordan with tendinitis and getting his ribs broken in the offseason singlehandedly turned the 2nd worst defense to the best defense in ppg allowed

    The 2001 Wizards' opponents shot 47.0%, 3rd worst in the league

    This is a guy who had knee tendinitis and cracked ribs at 38. I have serious doubts that a younger Jordan couldn't pull off the same numbers.

    Jordan's accolades are so numerous there is a Wikipedia page dedicated to it
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Michael_Jordan

    Now, I'm pretty certain with the invention of the Internet people can become sports analysts on their own. Before people just took the analyst's words for it. Now though, people can look at all the stats they want. And that is a good thing, but sometimes people don't look deep enough into the stats and jump to conclusions about whether X is better than Y, despite numerous analysts who watched these players in their primes saying that Y was better than X.

    Now enough of Jordan's accomplishments, you can (easily) find them on your own. Lets look at Kareem's shortcomings (make no doubt, Kareem is an all-time great, number 5 all time in my opinion). Kareem played in a weakened NBA. Kareem played in a time where many of basketball's brightest stars played in the ABA. His 6 MVPs came at a time when the NBA was in a lull, make no doubt that the 70s are possibly the most interesting years of basketball, but to be truthful, talent was dwindling. The ABA merger helped saved professional basketball, as all the talent became formed in one place. There are people who say that the Kentucky Colonels are the greatest basketball team of all time. Whether that is true can never truly be decided, but the best player on those Colonel teams was Artis Gilmore. Gilmore luckily was never in the NBA as he certainly would have been Kareem's ultimate nemesis. Gilmore's strength was second only to Wilt, and I derive this fact from a quote by Robert Parish who started for the Celtics during Shaq's Magic days and played against Kareem near the end of his prime. He said that Artis Gilmore was the strongest man he ever played against. There is footage of Artis blocking Kareem's skyhook and footage of him boxing Kareem out with only one of his arms while he was on the Bulls. Kareem won a single Finals, during the 70s, and he never won one a Finals in his entire career without arguably the best PG in the league. He never lifted his team to a championship, and after Robinson and before Magic he never made the finals. He made the conference finals one time in '77 where his Lakers got swept by Bill Walton's Trailblazers. In fact, after Robertson retired Kareem's Bucks went from 59 wins to 38.
    Once Magic got drafted, the Lakers mysteriously went from early exits to NBA champions. This reliance on an elite PG to help him has kind of curbed, at least for me, one of the greatest careers in basketball. Before any mention of his match-ups with Wilt, please realize that this is Wilt as the end of his career (and yet he still had enough jump to block his skyhook), and really is not representative of the pure dominance of Wilt in the 60s.
    And just for a final note it is fairly obvious that in 88 and 89 Kareem didn't deserve his all star nods, and it's arguable in 87. In 1985 it's arguable that Magic deserved the Finals MVP, although it is up for debate, I'm by no means saying that his numbers weren't quite impressive. http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1985-nba-finals-lakers-vs-celtics.html
    Oh and here is the footage of the Artis Gilmore clips I mentioned.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCHDcSHBS4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf6ABWKQ65w

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    11

    A few points.

    First, I don't see the great relevance of Jordan's Wizards seasons. Yes he was still good, not as good as Kareem's 85-86 season in which he was the same age as Jordan (38) for that 2001-02 season. Kareem in that season had way higher Win Shares and WS/48, and a higher PER (which I agree is fallible).

    A few notes on Jordan. First, he retired twice, which gave him a far greater degree of respite to Kareem. If Kareem took the four years of Michael did I'm sure he could have put up monster numbers. Second, he has the all time record for usage%. As talented as he was, winning scoring titles is much easier when you literally take shots at a higher rate than anyone else in basketball history.

    In response to the 'talent dwindling' 70s I would say that's purely assertion. There is no statistical basis to such a claim. Even if it were the case, you can't penalise Kareem's legacy for something out of his control. No-one can ever prove whether one decade is or is not more talented than others and so we should simply judge them based upon the context in which they achieved.

    Again the value of 'lifting' your team to a championship is pure conjecture. Why does that make a player 'better' than another. Pretty hard for John Stockton to just 'pass better' and lift his team. Open your eyes to the team-oriented nature of basketball. However, I'd also remind you that Jordan's teams were equally as competitive and talented as Kareem's given that Pippen and Rodman were BOTH in the All-Defensive First Team in 1995-96. Horace Grant was another superb player who I (and I would hope, you) consider better than James Worthy, Byron Scott etc. Kareem was able to win consistently in two different cities in two different roles. As dependent as he was on an elite PG (We could just say another elite player?), Jordan was equally dependent on surrounding talent.

    Not swayed by the anecdotal evidence of Artis Gilmore, the same exists for almost every player from 35+ years ago.

    Finally, you reference the positive impact of Magic on the team upon his introduction. Remember that Jordan's Bulls were a 55 win team in his absence.

    I'm not saying its clear cut, I'm not even saying Kareem is necessarily better, I'm saying there is a solid case that should certainly be considered.

    1

    The great relevance of Jordan's Wizard seasons is to show how absolutely dominant he was on the defensive side of the floor and how he could still influence a team despite the loss of his athleticism which was a large part of his game. Now granted when you say that Kareem had a better season than Jordan did at 38, that is true, but before Jordan's knee injury here were his scoring stats (once again from the Nobody Touches Jordan YouTube account).

    In the 46 games that Jordan played in 2001/02 before the knee injury, he averaged
    25.1 - 6.2 - 5.3 - 1.5 - 0.5 on 42%
    points - rebounds - assists - steals - blocks

    Tracy McGrady was the only player who averaged 25-6-5 by the end of the 01/02 season, but that's what 38 year old Jordan on no knees and broken ribs was putting up before his injury

    Youtube "Michael Jordan Wizards Knee Injury"

    Jordan's numbers were also improving as the season went on.

    In his last 20 games up to the injury he averaged
    27.5 - 6.4 - 5.2 - 1.3 - 0.5 on 44%

    In his last 10 games up to the injury he averaged
    29.7 - 6.6 - 6.1 - 1.2 - 0.3 on 47%

    Jordan wasn't as efficient, which is obviously going to happen if you play on tendinitis knees, cracked ribs, and at 38 coming off a 3-year layoff. but that still didn't stop him from winning games pre-injury, and his efficiency was improving up to his injury

    Up to the game that Jordan was injured, the Wizards were 26-21 with Jordan missing 1 game (26-20 when Jordan played).

    after the knee injury, the Wizards lost 9/10 games and fell out the playoff picture.

    Now once again, he did get injured and MJ finally became a somewhat normal basketball player, but this shows that Jordan was still truly an amazing player, even at the age of 38.

    It is absolutely true in every way that by no means, I can statistically prove that talent in the NBA was low during Kareem's dominance. I can only merely provide a list of players that were in the ABA while Kareem collected 4 of his 6 MVPs (Note: Once again, I am not attempting to lessen the stellar career of Kareem, I am only trying to show that Jordan was better, and sadly I must bring up a bunch of stuff that looks like I'm trying to create a smear campaign)
    Artis Gilmore, Julius Erving, Billy Cunningham, George Gervin, Rick Barry*, Zelmo Beaty, Mel Daniels, Dan Issel, Moses Malone, George McGinnis, David Thompson
    *Rick Barry did come back to the NBA after his stint in the ABA by his own decision and because of the merger
    These players were missing from the NBA and typically either played better or the same after arriving (Zelmo retired in the ABA). Kareem won two more MVPs after this, because well, he was really good, but he certainly avoided many players that certainly could have rivaled him for his MVPs and also Artis Gilmore's anecdote is not like any other player. He didn't play against Kareem for 5 of his prime years. Most players in the 60s and since the beginning of the 76-77 season, have had gone head to head against the best players in the world. Gilmore was on a bad Chicago team that didn't become good until Reggie Theus had his all-star seasons and Gilmore began to tick into his 30s. They had similar ages and both were considered the best centers of their leagues. While I am not saying that Gilmore was on Kareem's level, I am saying that, like Kevin Durant and Lebron, Gilmore still would have been a great rival for Kareem and could have pushed him to his limit.

    Also with the mention of the 1993-1994 Bulls I would like to remind you that the Jordan Bulls are considered some of the greatest teams of all time because of how they were built. These teams were built incredibly, and you need a team to win, especially in the more recent eras in the NBA where more teams are around (unlike in the early to mid 70s) and the Bulls were that. Without Jordan, Pippen likely would be called a top 5 player in the 90s, his LeBron before LeBron quotes are not far-fetched, as he was a versatile player, with his passing, rebounding, and being one of the best perimeter defenders of all time. Now you'll notice after this season the Bulls sucked, and were on a downward spiral to missing the playoffs. The person from that Bulls team was Horace Grant. The Bulls was left with no rebounding, and caused the team to suck. Jordan came back and was around the same level, but faced Shaq and his Magic. Combined with the lack of rebounding, AND the good rebounding PF of Horace Grant, there was no hope for the Bulls to beat the Magic, who lost to the Magic 4-2.
    So the next offseason they grabbed a player who has a case of being the greatest defensive player of all time in Dennis Rodman, and then won a league record 72 games that stands to this day. They swept a Magic team that probably should have been better than they were the previous year. This Bulls team probably could have been a great team without Jordan, probably title contenders. But with Jordan? That team blew everyone out of the water. Jordan won MVPs in 96 and 98, and no matter what you think, that is a huge boost to any team.
    Now lets talk about MVPs, Kareem in 75, had already made his case as the best player in the league, and he was. But the Bucks still were 38-44. Granted Kareem missed 17 games, which is clearly a detriment to any team, but when you are the best player in the league, you are expected to help make your team, at the very least a playoff team, no matter the circumstances. Despite the Pistons eking into the playoffs with a 40-42 record, the Bucks still missed it. This year, Kevin Durant still almost made the Thunder make the playoffs despite only playing 27 games. While playing on a bum foot, Durant's record with the Thunder was 18-9. Westbrook alone had a 23-27 record which is a 38-44 pace if they kept it up. The Thunder missed the playoffs by a tiebreaker. Without Durant that doesn't happen. Without LeBron the Cavs in the 2000s and after his return would probably suck. That Bucks season, shouldn't of happened, and even if his team sucked, Kareem was the best player in league, and because of that he should have carried to the playoffs. While rereading what I wrote, when I said he never lifted his team to a title was wrong, as he was the best player in the 71 and 80 title, but in the years after Robertson left and before Magic came, he didn't accomplish much in the way of playoff success.

    Finally Jordan's usage rate. I agree usage rate is a quality measurement that shouldn't be ignored. Jordan has the highest because well, he's the greatest scorer of all time. The efficiency of Jordan cannot be misunderstood. While in 86-87 Jordan scored 37 points on 48% shooting per game. That is post ABA numbers that has only been approached by Kobe, who had a higher usage rate than Jordan in 86-87, shot less efficiently, and scored less. That is higher than Kareem has ever scored. In 69-70, Kareem's rookie season, he scored 24 PPG on 52%. Jordan scored 28 PPG in his rookie season on 52%. I use rookie seasons because that was the only time Kareem really had no true help like Jordan.

    I think where we are coming to a disagreement to is whether we should compare Jordan and Kareem, because I am not trying to lessen Kareem's legacy, I think it is perfectly fine to have him at 5th or 4th best all time (3rds kinda pushing it, for me at least), but I am ardently against the idea of him being better Jordan, and so I point out his flaws, to enhance Jordan's qualities. That is my argument tactic because if I pointed out Kareem's positives, that does not make a good argument because Kareem is a top 5 player all time.

    PS: No I don't think Grant is a better player than James Worthy, but he was better than Bryon Scott

    2

    that is the longest comment i ever seen lol so i'd go with whatever he saying, lol

    0

    I like both arguments but seriously you cannot justly matchup these guys who obviously played in 2 distinct eras, totally different styles, impacted the flow of the game, and importantly...one's a SG and the others a freaking C. You might as well come grapes to doughnuts. Unless a player matched up position wise and in the same era to make a claim is trivial. I grew up in Magic and Jordan era. While having mad respect for Jordan's talent, it is not fair to say he's the goat. If we are boasting SG then he would give anyone a nightmare.

    0

    Also points allowed per game is hugely fallible as a defensive metric, doesn't adjust for pace at all.

    0

    Now this sounds like a complete and total cop out (because it is), but I just spent the last hour and 15 minutes making that giant wall of text and I am done for the night looking up stats

    0

    Stats? Like defensive W/S and defensive rating, neither of which Jordan has ever even had a top 100 season in? Pippen and Rodman are well above him. And as for Wizards Jordan the guy, no matter his name, has a point, the 2002-03 Wizards were 10th in OPP/PPG but their DEF/RTG was only 18th best, below average.

    Also Jordan played all 82 games that season, yet despite that Jerry Stackhouse (76 games) and CHRISTIAN LAETTNER (70 games!) had a higher total W/S than him... Laettner also had a higher BPM and VORP, despite playing 8 MPG less while Stackhouse led the team in PPG and APG, Jordan only led them in SPG.

    You're making it sound like Jordan ruled that team and led them to overachievement, judging by the 37-45 record I'd say neither were true.

    1

    Defensive win shares, which Ron Artest was only once top 10 in his whole career, while James Harden was top 10 in defensive win shares last year?
    Defensive rating, that Carlos Boozer was top 10 in, in 2013-2014? Defensive rating, which according to it, Gar Heard is the greatest defender of all time, while Gary Payton is not even top 200? Defensive rating, where Hakeem Olajuwon had a better defensive rating with the Raptors than he did with the Rockets in 1994-1995? How credible are these stats really?
    Box plus-minus? I shouldn't have to explain at all how that stat is irrelevant.

    Anyways, you're looking at the season after his knee injury, the year before, before his injury in game 47, the Wizards were 15-1 with Jordan and Richard Hamilton. During that stretch, Wizards opponents shot 41.7%, almost a full percent ahead of the league leading Lakers.
    The Wizards were 26-21 before his injury, after starting 2-9.
    After his injury? 11 wins total. He was even building a MVP case before that injury. Do you think I'm joking? Here you go
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/sports/pro-basketball-inside-the-nba-jordan-lifts-wizards-and-his-mvp-bid.html
    Here's a comparison between Jordan and Kobe before Jordan's injury.
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-z8xHZhU_ixM/VZnDEC82BnI/AAAAAAAACgQ/bOy6Mu0-X7I/s400/Screen%2BShot%2B2015-07-05%2Bat%2B7.51.14%2BPM.png

    So yeah, after his injury, Jordan came back to Earth, and he wasn't able to play at the MVP level he had set for himself. He couldn't bring his team to a playoff level as he once had, but you wanna know what happened the next year for the Wizards? They slipped to 25-57 while they had Stackhouse and Laettner.

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    Yes those defensive stats in GENERAL are rather inaccurate, as they rely on a teams defensive performance. But as Pippen and Rodman played on the same team as Jordan their stats are directly comparable, and as Pippen and Rodman are so far ahead of him it shows Jordan wasn't even close to being the best defender on his team, let alone all time. BPM is also relevant to players on the same team, they performed better with Christian Laettner on the floor than with Jordan.

    You once again use OPP/PPG to judge the Wizards defense, that is very inaccurate, I don't know about their DEF/RTG during that stretch you're talking about but for the season they were 11th in OPP/PPG but only 21st in DEF/RTG. Although they did finish 25-57 the year after Jordan left, but they actually improved in DEF/RTG... Jordan may have averaged 23 PPG but he shot an abysmal 41% from the field, mixed with his 0.2 3's per game that's an even more abysmal 47% TS%. To put that into perspective Steph Curry is shooting a 67% TS% this season, 20% higher!

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiATYF2_3Vc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xj3a03E-IY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fblZHW-GMBU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtj8ovhp48
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53GLDrhMkY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQZnESjOkyA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7iSCMvyqo
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFUnIIp_WFk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAtNOjco8yQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPlPNDXkIYk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao70rO103Lg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iY2mTKYPRE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6iDmcqGw9Y
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXClxwLDuQs
    Jordan still isn't a good defender?

    I honestly need to point out BPM being a bad statistic. Good God.
    According to BPM, having Andrei Kirilenko on the floor is more beneficial than Shaq, Hakeem, Kevin Durant, and Pippen. Having Joakim Noah on the floor is more beneficial than Jason Kidd and Kobe Bryant. Pau Gasol > Dirk and Kyle Lowry > Gary Payton

    "Jordan may have averaged 23"
    In his final 10 games before his injury here's his stat line
    29.7 - 6.6 - 6.1 - 1.2 - 0.3 on 47%. Besides, I really wouldn't call 41%, abysmal, I think that's stretching it. More like below average. Chucker territory.

    Finally, here, since OPPG isn't accurate
    The 2001 Wizards were 3rd worst in the league at holding opponents to FG% (no additions to the 2001-2002 Wizards played above 23 MPG and Hamilton played 78 games in 2000-2001). Up to Jordan's injury they were on pace for 11th best in the league (excluding their 2-9 start, they were on pace for 8th best). During the 15-1 stretch with Hamilton? 41.7%. After the injury, Wizards opponents shot 46.4%, on pace for the second FG% in the league

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    Are you using career stats for BPM? And honestly a lot of people would put Dirk above Payton, and Gasol above Lowry (again not sure if career or this season)

    What was Jordan's MPG in those 10 games? Plus do you really think 1 player, let alone a SG, would alter OPP FG% like that? 16 games is a small sample

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    holy shit what a comment, lol

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    U mean story?

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    a lot of players have a wikipedia page just for their accomplishments.....

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    Look, it sounds impressive, okay?

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    Many athletes have a separate page for career achievements

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    Kareem was very well know in his time. So was Magic and Bird . There was just less media back then, especially when Kareem was in his prime.. Now there's cameras everywhere and the media was growing a lot when MJ was playing. Of course he was gonna be hyped and talked about ny the media, he won 6 championships in the 90's and once he started he won every year except his half baseball year and 40 year old Wizards comeback.. All great players, but Kobe, Lebron, Steph, KD get tons of media attention too. U play good in the playoffs and everyone in the media hops on your dick. Look how they talking bout Westbrook now. Although Russell does deserve it, but when he was losing, getting hurt, or get knocked out early they forget about you quick and give u no press unless u doing crazy shit and getting arrested or something like Pacman Jones even though he in the NFL. .

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    Even Barkley got hella press too and was always in the media in the 90's. Charles was a good player and was funny and said and did crazy shit like throw civilians he didn't like thru plate glass windows in public lol. Him and MJ had a lot of charisma though as well.

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    You really cant compare Guards and Centers.

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    "played during an era with a smaller basketball profile" what does that even mean. I don't know what was small in any way, about the Showtime Lakers in the 80's

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    His block should be in the 90's in game.

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    What the f@ck is wrong with u? Who cares if wilt is the best or mj is the best? Stop being a attention hore

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    A 99 why not make the rewards a 99 so the grind was worth more now this is the best center so the rewards is almost useless in comparison

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    Why the hell did they make this a 99 when the one that takes months of grinding and nearly 200 games played to EARN only a 97? This is just 2k in a nutshell, never rewarding the people who grind it out and can't buy MT. BULLSHIT

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    exactly 2k is high af

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    Yet I agree with you, and that this game should be more reward based, The 97 is still an AMAZING card, and I would gladly not spend a dime and grind out 200 cards to have a slightly worse card then the one someone spent hundreds on looking for it in packs. Im sure there extremely similar and just a couple stats were boosted, but I can still see why you are mad.

    I'm not sucking 2K's Dick, I've opened up packs on packs to have my best pull be Current Lebron, and they are a terribly run company that doesn't follow through or reward there players properly

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    '72 season was better in every aspect statistically, except for the fact they didn't win a championship. Regardless of that, if they had to make one diamond Kareem better than the other, It should've been the Reward Kareem. But 2k just doesn't give a shit.

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    This is bullshit if the historic kareem is better than rewards kareem

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    F*ck 2K, weeks and weeks doing the challenges only to get the ''not the best'' Kareem

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    I was already getting pissed at the thought of them releasing a Kareem in packs after making us grind for so long for the rewards one but to make this one a 99 I'm actually heated tbh that's some bullshit 2K

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    fun fact for yall, kareem fought Bruce Lee in his movie :-)

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    Well this upsets me... They should have fucking made the rewards one 99. My Kareem was beasting on people, he couldn't be stopped! Now everybody is going to have this fucking Kareem..

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    Are you sure everybody??

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    Anthony Davis has more total stats then Kareem 0...0

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    Defensive players tend to have a high total stats amount, theres stats much more valuable than others though like mid-range shooting versus passing vision.

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    Bruh y not make this one 97 and the rewards 99 people had to grind and 2k should have the best players like 99 jordan and kareem be rewards not something you can just buy... smfh 2k

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    Of course 2k would not upgrade the reward one for the people that played 111 games but make a 99 overall kareem so people would buy more packs. Not surprised. The pay to win aspect is really ruining this mode for me. I always end up earning a great team without buying vc or mt but it still gets ridiculous.

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    I agree I just got the rewards one and I see this because not everyone spends hundreds on packs so only a few people will be getting this while people who got this is left with an inferior version

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    the original running man

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    at least increase the rewards one to a 98

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    it says its a 97 but it also says kareem is a 99?

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    "only Jordan will get a 99"

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    How come it says 99 overall but 97 on the card?

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    I'm okay with more people being 99 overalls, not just Jordan. Just make sure he deserves it. Kareem sure does.

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    kareem doing the running man challenge

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    not sure why his name isn't Lou Alcindor on this one. would be nice tho

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    SAme thing I said

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    They know that he averaged more points, rebounds, assists and had almost the same field goal percentage and free throw percentage (about .002% off for each). 2k just giving the people who spend money a way to be better then everybody else again

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    Still waiting for Wilt's 99. Now 5 99s Damn 2k.

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    yea that wouldnt happpend wilt not good enough

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    Becasue getting 100 points in a game, averaging 50 ppg for a season. Getting 55 rebounds in a game. Be the only person to get a double-triple-double, means you're not good enough. If that's not enough, here's his list of records:

    MINUTES
    Most seasons leading league: 8
    Most consecutive seasons leading league: 5
    Highest average per game, career: 45.8
    Highest average per game, season: 48.5
    COMPLETE GAMES
    Most, season: 79
    Most consecutive, season: 47
    SCORING
    Most cons. seasons leading league: *7
    Most points, season: 4,029
    Highest average, season: 50.4
    Most points, rookie, season: 2,707
    Highest average, rookie, season: 37.6
    Most points, game: 100
    Most points, rookie, game: 58
    Most games, 50 or more, career: 118
    Most games, 50 or more, season: 45
    Most cons.e games, 50 or more points: 7
    Most games, 40 or more, career: 271
    Most games, 40 or more, season: 63
    Most cons. games, 40 or more points: 14
    Most cons. games, 30 or more points: 65
    Most cons. games, 20 or more points: 126
    Most points, one half: 59
    FIELD-GOAL PERCENTAGE
    Most seasons leading league: **9
    Most cons. seasons leading league: 5
    Highest, season (qualifiers): .727
    Highest, game (min. 15 FG): ***1.000
    Most field goals, no misses, game: 18
    FIELD GOALS
    Most cons. seasons leading league: *7
    Most, season: 1,597
    Most cons., no misses, season: 35
    Most, game: 36
    Most, one half: 22
    FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS
    Most cons. seasons leading league: 7
    Most, season: 3,159
    Most, game: 63
    Most, one half: 37
    Most, one quarter: 21
    FREE THROWS MADE
    Most, game: 28
    FREE THROW ATTEMPTS
    Most seasons leading league: 9
    Most cons. seasons leading league: 6
    Most, season: 1,363
    Most, game: 34
    REBOUNDS
    Most seasons leading league: 11
    Most, career: 23,924
    Highest average, career: 22.9
    Most, season: 2,149
    Most, rookie, season: 1,941
    Most seasons, 1,000 or more: 13
    Highest average, season: 27.2
    Most, game: 55
    Most, rookie, game: 45
    DISQUALIFICATIONS
    Lowest percentage, career: ****0.00
    POINTS, PLAYOFFS
    Most by rookie, game: 53
    MINUTES, PLAYOFFS
    Most, 3-game series: 144
    Most, 4-game series: 195
    Most, 6-game series: 296
    FIELD GOALS, PLAYOFFS
    Most, 7-game series: 113
    Most made, game: 24
    Most attempts, game: 28
    Most attempts, half: 25
    FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS, PLAYOFFS
    Most, 3-game series: 104
    Highest field goal percentage (minimum, 8): 1.000*****
    REBOUNDS, PLAYOFFS
    Most, 5-game series: 160
    Most, 6-game series: 171
    Most, 7-game series: 220
    Highest average, per game, series: 32.0
    Most, game: 41
    Most, half: 26
    Most by rookie, game: 35
    MINUTES, FINALS
    Most, 5-game series: 240
    REBOUNDS, FINALS
    Most, 6-game series: 171
    Most, half: 26
    NOTES
    *Tied with Michael Jordan
    **Tied with Shaquille O'Neal
    ***Three times (15/15, 16/16, 18/18)
    ****Tied with several others, but played most games of any
    *****Tied with 12 others

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    99!

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    This was quite the day for player releases...

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    Hopefully we will get this Kareem in 2K17 or else i'm slaping Ronnie with bacon and throwing coffee at him calling him a hobo

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    ok kinda random

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    This is bs, I literally completed the challenges to get the rewards one and now there is one that you don't have to work for. This kills me inside because i worked so hard to get the rewards one and now you give people that didn't grind out those challenges a chance to get a version that is better than the one that is rewarded to good 2k players. I am officially disgusted by 2k...smh

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    Just gonna point out that the 89 OVERALL Clyde Drexler has ONLY 3 LESS attribute points than this cardl.

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    Rating is not based on total attributes. Given Centres and Power Forwards use far fewer attributes (e.g. standing and moving 3-point), 2k balances it by giving greater weight to things like rebounding and post defence when creating ratings.

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    Even for shooting guards alone:

    http://2kmtcentral.com/16/players/position/2/sort/stats

    That is just ridiculous. The gold card is 3rd best behind the other Clyde and MJ.

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    I'm aware of this, but Clyde is MUCH better attribute wise than Chris Mullin, A I, Jerry West, Harden, KD, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd, and Nate Archibald (among many others) who have higher overalls. It was the same thing last year (the gold version), he was by far the best 92 overall and was better than almost every card 95 overall or below.

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    all attribute points aren't equal.like post hook rating on a small PG vs Shooting, Dunking, Defense or Speed Ratings

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    i knew kareem would get this card

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    cream abdool jubald

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    He looks like he is doing the running man

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    If Kareem Abdul Jabbar is a 99 overall, should wilt chamberlain be a 99 overall for his 100 point game?

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    WHO IS THIS MAN AND WHY DID U CREATE HIM!!??!!??!!??

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    It's a picture of a guy who is amazed as to why stupid people aren't dead

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    Is it a 97 or 99?

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    Running Man Challenge

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    About 60% through getting rewards KAJ and now this card is released and made a higher rating than the rewards, should I still go for the rewards or fuck it

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    6 mvp awards, rookie of the year, etc etc...
    97 rating, no mvp card, no rookie of the year card....
    It´s almost offensive

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    OH MY GOD ITS A 99

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    Why's everyone getting a 99?

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    oh sorry did not notice that

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    Scam...It's all about money for this company... This game is done!

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    I think that the shouldn't have one come out of packs it should just be for people who work their ass of to get him

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    It's actually Lew Alcindor. Get it right 2k...

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    I am really upset now because I spent FOREVER grinding for the rewards kareem and I pulled 99 kareem 3 days ago. Seriously?

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    I get it kareem was amazing . But why does he need 2 cards from 71 ?

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    the other one is from '72

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    Originally created the #runningman

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    I sunk a three with this card lel

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    Running Man Challenge.

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    that free throw is way too high now wtf 2k

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    Ok must people know Kareem has the most points scored of all-time right? Well I been thinking why not do milestone cards like Most rebounds in a Nba career like WIlt Chamberlain who has the most rebounds for an NBA player ever. The way you would earn these cards is by getting that many rebounds with your whole entire myteam combined. 23,924 rebounds is a lot and that is why you have the milestones so you want to play the game more.

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    Community: MAKE A 99 WILT NOW!

    2k: Ok, hmm... let's see... Oh! Let's make a 99 Kareem!

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    nate archibald mvp rose diamond westbrook wilt kareem lmao

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    can you get him in a draft??

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    I have 400 000 MT for sale, message me on PSN if you're interested in buying for. Good deal
    Amiro-africano95

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    I see he's got the 99 post hook, but is did they add his godly skyhook animation to the game?

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    Kareem is a beast. Totally deserves 99.

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    and the great part is, he with the lakers on this card! YAAAYYYY!!!!!

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    What's Kareem's favorite dessert?






    Ice Kareem

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    If 2K is giving Kareem a DRAFTABLE 99 then they better give Bill Russell one, Wilt Chamberlain one, Shaq one, Hakeem one, and umm many more

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    Do you know if this will apply for All-star team up? (Sorry, I know it's a MT site)

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    Did sum1 hack 2kmtcentral r something

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    99 post hook? should be 690

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    http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/553312/no-restrictions Take a look at my lineup and tell me what you think. Suggestions would be awesome!

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    When will this card release????????

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    Is the card available to purchase on the auction block?

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    Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr

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    I saw a guy with Kareem Abdul Jabbar in his lineup on youtube.. i wonder how you could get him

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    He hacked it he is probably on steam...

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    2k fucked me hard

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    karrem not in the draft.....why?

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    Im upset that his name is still kareem-abdul-jabbar on this card. HIS NAME WAS LEW ALCINDOR WHEN HE WAS ON THE BUCKS

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    Lew Alcindor was his name in Collage not during bucks

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    Smh he didnt change his name to kareem until his second year in the leaugue, so OBVIOUSLY his name would be the same in *college.....get your facts straight

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    What do you expect? I'm only in 6th grade and 11.

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    Do you get this in Historic Domination?

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    So he was born in 1992 huh? thats enough alone to let you know how good he is, in the NBA before he was even conceived ;)

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    98 overall Olajuwon at the 4 and Kareem at the 5

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    fuck 2k.... slow for any other 2ks to come!!!!!

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    Wow what has 2k done? After all that work for the 97 Rewards, they just chuck in a 99 kareem that you can either pay for and forget about those hours and hours of work or stick with your 97. (Which is nothing compared to this card). 2k has pretty much destroyed the 97 Rewards that took a lot of time to get and put in a beast card that you can't get unless you've got MT. And also, still waiting for 99 Wilt.

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    Shouldn't this card's name be Lee Alcindor? He didn't adopt the name kareem Abdul jabbar until after the 71' season.

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    I didn't know that Kareem is faster than Clyde Drexler

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    HE"S FINALLY A 99!!

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    now this is the kareem i know

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    Just compared 99 KAREEM HAS LESS ATRIBUTES THAN 96 DRAYMOND!!!

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    Kareem was nowhere near that fast. In his prime he regularly got outrun by an old, banged up Wilt Chamberlain, who is the true fastest big man of all time. Kareem could jump really high but he was not at all fast and was fairly weak, being only 225 pounds at 7'2". It's a damn shame 2K never gave a Wilt Chamberlain card the 99 he deserved this year

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    He's a 99 holy shit

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    Greatest center ever

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    im so happy they added him in the game

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    Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor, Jr.

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    While Kareem was nearly unstoppable, you can be known as unstoppable as a drafter in this draft competition. Join the fun by hitting the link below. We want fun users, not sore losers.

    http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/859148/draft-competition#comment-336288

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    guys abuse the vc glitch so you could buy good cards!!!

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    VC GLITCH..??.???

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    Join MyCareer game after tip off leave and you still receive Vc

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    It got patched fyi

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    DON'T BOTHER TRYING TO PULL THIS MAN LATER IN THE YEAR, JUST GET HIM FROM THE RTTF. THEY HAVE THE SAME RATINGS AND ATTRIBUTES!

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    Not anymore lol

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    When are all of these great historic players coming out? So far only Old shaq and payton and some shitty tbt players...when are they releasing this Kareem, Prime Shaq, MJ(not collector level), Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Robinson and Robertson??? I know tbt Kobe and co will be coming out every coming thursday but what about normal historic players? Really wish theyd just release the whole bunch like in 2k15 cuz atm there are only a couple 90+ players and theyre almost all current players i dont want to have xD

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    nice update to the card

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    That post fade and post hook can be cheese!!!

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    if 2k does some shit like this year im kill ronnie

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    If you were to decide what player would be a diamond, who would it be and why?

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    99 offensive consistency and 99 post hook deserved! One of my favorite centers of all-time.

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    it says 97 but supposed to be 99

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    I swear to God if 2K does not release a 99 Wilt I'm gonna be so fucking mad. Either for 1962 or 1967 (which may be the greatest individual season of all time https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/4jhnp1/in_1967_wilt_chamberlain_had_perhaps_the_greatest/ ). 2K did his 97 card's athleticism dirty and that really pissed me off. You can argue Kareem had a better career but Wilt probably had the best prime in NBA history. He led the league in scoring 7 times (NBA record and single season record 50.4), rebounding 11 times (NBA record and single season record 27.2), assists once (the only non point guard to do so), FG% 9 times (including a record 72.7% in his final season), minutes 9 times (including a record 48.5 in 1962), and likely would have led the league in blocks several times had they been counted in his era. Come on 2K. Don't do the OG like that

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    Is his skyhook animation in the game?

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    Yeah but he misses it a lot , unfortunately. 2k needs to find away to make his hook money all the way out to 15 ft.

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    It is bull that the reward isn't being upgraded. Let the player who worked to reward kareem have the better version. Personally i think the reward kareem is bad, in game, his ratings are great but the hook is so inconsistent and often missed(bricks), the rebounding is some how average for his ratings for me he gets (MAX) 3 rebounds a game and finally the defence is quite poor compared to his ratings considering he should be great defensive threat.

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    85 speed and 94 strength is ridiculous - should be more like 74 speed and 70 strength, because Kareem was not very strong and in his prime he was too slow to keep up with an old Wilt

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    This is a higher overall because in 71 hr averaged almost 35 points and 17 rebound but in 72 he averaged 30 and 16

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    Because Jordan is better for one, but Jordan is a shooting guard so he has much better shooting+way better athleticism+waaay better playmaking+way better gunking. Kereen has better rebounding and post stats. This is as it should be, if you think kareem is more athletic or better at shooting than jordan than I'm wasting my time trying to tell you this

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    My is by far better than Kareem

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    Kareem is better than Jordan

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    all you have to do is compare both stats, and you will then realize, your point of view of basketball is a whole lie, and you are retarded forcreath the thought that Kareem is better than MJ :)

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    MJ didn't have to play against MVP SG, besides, there weren't really that many SG when MJ was reigning

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    Just because there weren't many MVP Shooting Guards at that time, it doesn't mean that Michael Jordan only was guarded by Shooting Guards. LARRY BIRD, Mark Aguirre, Wilkins, Clyde, James Worthy, SIDNEY MONCRIEF, George Gervin, Dennis Johnson, Bernard King, Isiah Thomas, Gary Payton, Julius Erving, JOE DUMARS, John Stockton, Penny Hardaway, Chris Mullin, and Tim Hardaway all had to guard Jordan at some point. Shooting Guards don't have to guard other Shooting Guards. Coaches can put certain players, especially the better defending ones, on certain players that can get hot easily in a game.

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    Wilt has played against several MVPs at his position. Wes Unseld, Willis Reed, Bill Walton, Dave Cowens, Bob McAdoo, and Wilt Chamberlain. Name an MVP Jordan has player against at his position...... I'll be waiting....

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    There werent any since Jordan won pretty much all of em. There werent a ton of good players other than centers in the 60's...

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    Don't forget about Bill Russell ;)

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    How did Wilt play against Wilt Chamberlain? Are these two different Wilts?

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    I meant to say Kareem played against

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    Except he played against most of those guys outside of their respective primes (obvious exception being Bill Russel).

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    Lol. You're probably just a stuck up Lakers fan... MJ is for sure better. Maybe Kareem is the best at his position, but MJ is the greatest of all time.

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    I'm just gonna assume since you are a 2k player that you weren't old enough to understand and fully comprehend basketball in the 70's...

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    Ikr

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    I wasn't born in 2002 lmfao. Just a random number

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    Um yes, Kareem is the best center of all time.

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    I agree lol

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    Wilt is the best center of all time

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    First lol

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    This ain't Youtube Baby

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    You ain't Chris Smoove baby!

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    You ain't the boss baby

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    I hate you Glenny

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    lol your comment has 15 down votes ;D

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