'62 Bill Russell
Gems of The Game / MVP 1
General information
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Most Valuable PlayerAdded
ReleaseHeight
6'10" (208cm)Weight
215lbs (97kg)Age
28From
San FranciscoPlays
P&R Point
97 Overall
46 Outside scoring
- 45 Standing shot mid
- 44 Moving shot mid
- 25 Standing shot 3pt
- 25 Moving shot 3pt
- 98 Shot IQ
- 60 Free throw
- 97 Offensive consistency
95 Inside scoring
- 97 Standing shot close
- 97 Moving shot close
- 98 Standing layup
- 85 Driving layup
- 95 Standing dunk
- 83 Driving dunk
- 70 Contact dunk
- 71 Draw foul
- 97 Post control
- 97 Post hook
- 78 Post fadeaway
- 98 Hands
88 Athleticism
- 77 Speed
- 74 Acceleration
- 85 Vertical
- 96 Strength
- 95 Stamina
- 98 Hustle
- 97 Overall durability
71 Playmaking
- 45 Ball control
- 78 Passing accuracy
- 80 Passing vision
- 88 Passing IQ
95 Defending
- 97 On-ball defense IQ
- 98 Low post defense IQ
- 98 Help defense IQ
- 98 Pick & roll defense IQ
- 67 Lateral quickness
- 94 Pass perception
- 98 Reaction time
- 72 Steal
- 99 Block
- 99 Shot contest
- 98 Defensive consistency
98 Rebounding
- 97 Offensive rebound
- 98 Defensive rebound
- 98 Boxout
- 3684 Total attributesattr.
| Updates | OVR | POS | INS | OUT | PLY | ATH | DEF | REB |
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97 | C PF | 95 | 46 | 71 | 88 | 95 | 98 |
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97 | C PF | 95 | 46 | 71 | 88 | 95 | 98 |
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86 | C PF | 91 | 46 | 52 | 87 | 92 | 32 |
Outside Scoring
Inside Scoring
Hustle Points
Adept at making shots immediately following offensive rebounds near the basket.
Screen Outlet
Excels as the screener in the pick & roll game.
Bank Is Open
Excels at banking in jumpers.
Post Spin Technician
Dominates the post with his ability to beat his defender spin and drive moves.
Drop Stepper
Known for his ability to us the drop step move to his advantage in the post.
Post Hoperator
Excels at making hop-shots out of the post.
Dream-like Up and Under
Known for his ability to use the drop step move to his advantage in the post.
Post Hook Specialist
Known for his ability to make hook shots from the post at a high percentage.Playmaking
Flashy Passer
Known for throwing accurate flashy passes.
Break Starter
Starts fastbreaks with accurate outlet passes.
Dimer
Elite passer known for hitting teammates in position to score.Athleticism
Bruiser
The physical nature of this player drains energy from his match-up.
Brick Wall
Sets extremely effective screens and drains energy on pick collisions.Defending
Post Lockdown Defender
Drops offensive post attributes of direct match up while playing post defence.
Interceptor
More adept at stealing passes than others
Pick Pocket
Known for his ability to strip the ball from a ball-handler.
Eraser
Amazing shot blocker who drops interior scoring attributes of opponents while near the rim.
Chasedown Artist
Chases players down on fast breaks and effectively swats their shots from behind.Rebounding
Scrapper
A hustle player who wins loose ball battles.
Offensive Crasher
An elite defensive rebounder known for chasing rebounds out of his area.
Defensive Crasher
An elite offensive rebounder known for his ability to get through and around boxouts.Personality
Alpha Dog
Steps his game up when his teammates are performing poorly.
Road Dog
Elevates his play when playing in road games.
Prime Time
Elevates his play in games of great significance.
Closer
Steps his game up in the 4th quarter and overtime when the game is close
Fierce Competition
Elevates his game when being outplayed or instigated.
Mentor
Gets younger players focused in on the game when they commit mistakes.
Heart and Soul
Rallies team when things are getting out of hand. Helps team stay focused.
Defensive Anchor
Defensive leader who can make his teammates better defensively.
Hardened
A tough player that will play through fatigue and inury without experiencing a sever drop in skill.
Laid Back
Generally pretty chill at all times.Dunks
- 90 Standing dunk
- 83 Driving dunk
- 83 Flashy dunk
- 75 Alley-oop
- 99 Putback dunk
- 5 Crash
Layups
- 90 Standing layup
- 83 Driving layup
- 65 Spin layup
- 59 Hop step layup
- 55 Euro step layup
- 68 Floater
Jump shooting
- 64 Step through shot
- 68 Shot under basket
- 20 Shot close
- 6 Shot close left
- 2 Shot close middle
- 0 Shot close right
- 0 Shot mid
- 0 Shot 3pt
- 0 Contested jumper
- 0 Stepback jumper
- 0 Spin jumper
- 50 Transition pull up 3pt
- 50 Use glass
Drive setup
- 5 Triple threat pump fake
- 38 Triple threat jab step
- 74 Triple threat idle
- 10 Triple threat shoot
- 0 Setup with sizeup
- 1 Setup with hesitation
- 97 No setup dribble
Driving
- 50 Drive
- 10 Drive right
- 2 Driving crossover
- 0 Driving spin
- 0 Driving step back
- 0 Driving half spin
- 20 Driving double crossover
- 0 Driving behind the back
- 0 Driving dribble hesitation
- 30 Driving in and out
- 75 No driving dribble move
- 75 Attack strong on drive
Freelance
- 46 Shoot
- 46 Touches
- 0 Roll vs. pop
Post game
- 80 Post up
- 10 Post shimmy shot
- 0 Post face up
- 50 Post back down
- 65 Post aggressive backdown
- 75 Shoot from post
- 50 Post hook left
- 50 Post hook right
- 0 Post fade left
- 0 Post fade right
- 0 Post up and under
- 0 Post hop shot
- 0 Post step back shot
- 45 Post drive
- 10 Post spin
- 80 Post drop step
- 40 Post hop step
Passing
- 80 Dish to open man
- 5 Flashy pass
- 0 Alley oop pass
Defense
- 65 Pass interception
- 20 Take charge
- 62 On-ball steal
- 99 Contest shot
- 99 Block shot
- 30 Foul
- 42 Hard foul
MVP Bill Russell is Underrated
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MY RANT ABOUT BILL RUSSELL!
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'60 Wilt Chamberlain points per 36 minutes: 29.2
'62 Bill Russell points per 36 minutes: 15.1
'60 Wilt Chamberlain inside scoring rating: 92
'62 Bill Russell inside scoring rating: 95
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2k twisting around stats to make players better or worse. Nothing new here.
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Ugh unfortunately you're right. It bothers me every time I see them do it
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Yes Wilt was the better individual player but Bill Russell is considered one of the greats because of his unselfishness, his teamwork, his championships, his defense, his rebounding, his passing, and many more characteristics. The reason he has boosted stats on the offensive end is because 2k wants him to be a 97 overall as relating as a top 5 or top 10 player of all time as many consider him. It is the same with Magic or Bird. They weren't great defenders but 2k boosted them to make them a 98 or 97 because many consider them a top 5 or top 10 caliber player. You just can't take 2k ratings too seriously. I used to because I personally would change a lot but at the end of the day it is a video game. Everyone has their different opinion on who was the greatest player of all time or their top 10 lists vary differently.
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WTF? 25 rebounding? Even Klay can agree Russell doesn't deserve stats that bad lmao
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I assume when they fix the random 25's he should be around 90-92, which is finally realistic! That offense is still ridiculously BS though
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More like 95-97 rebounding, c'mon dude, he is the second best rebounder ever to play the game
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I meant overall...
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Oh..., right that is an okay rating, maybe 93-94 because he was pretty good at defense....
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Why am I getting dislikes? Did I say anything wrong?
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Although I don`t agree with 93-94 overall. It wasn`t me.
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Dude who cares honestly. I agree with u if it's real life, but it's a video game with idiotic developers who can't get the damn player overalls right. If you pack this card are you gonna be mad and quicksell him cuz he too juiced? Nooooo... this is a video game so arguing about a card being too juiced is something that you can't really do simply becuz these dudes at 2k never gonna get shit right so it's just kinda pointless. And rly they only do that because he's top 10 player of all time. You can read what ESPN said on him. He was that high not because of his numbers, but what he did for his team defensively.
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"Additionally, as these players have not been released there is a reasonable chance that 2K will change their ratings some time closer to release (if they are being released at all), so don't start complaining immediately if you find ratings that seem wrong."
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this bill russell is better at scoring than wilt, more athletic than wilt, better at defense than wilt, better passer and same rebounding. this card is so damn overrated. BETTER SCORING? FOR REAL? He averaged less than 20ppg on less than 50% shooting pretty much every year, averaged less rebounds and less assists. this is completely ridiculous. 2k needs to step up
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This card is the TRUTH! Don't be fooled by the low price on the market. This is one of the best centers in the game. I just had 18 pts/11 Rebs/ 4 assist/ 3 blocks with him in RTTP. Put some +9 speed shoes on him and he is even more cheesier! Get him trust me!
Check out my beastly lineup: http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/44641/1st-48-current-lineup
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@Klayyyyyy 25 block even you can admit that's underrated!
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Better inside scoring than 1960 Wilt Chamberlain...hahahahahahahhahahahahahhaha okay 2k.
If the 62 Wilt card doesnt have a better inside scoring then its atrocious...I mean Russell wasnt even known for his offense...He never scored a lot. Wilt is probably the greatest scorer ever so this is just a disgrace.
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to stop this bill russell argument, he couldve easily scored 30 points, but he didnt need to, he just did his role as a great defender, and a great rebounder. he was good at sky hooks, he just didnt do it as much because he knew his role, like rodman, same story
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But he couldn`t have easily scored 30... He shot 40% while scoring 15-20 PPG, what would he shoot when scoring 30?
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Nah this dudes prolly right. He did shoot 40% you are right, but he could've scored 30+ shooting the same percentage but it wouldn't have been as effective for the team so he just didn't do it. He even said in an interview that he doesn't give two shits about numbers if you ain't winning. Hence why his only fantastic numbers are ones that benefit your team (25rpg, prolly lots of blocks, lockdown D). I guess he just didn't even bother working on getting a good offense cuz he felt it wasn't necessary. That isn't to say he was shit on offense, but he obviously wasn't bad, 17ppg for a center on the best team in the league isn't too bad. and Ik shooting 40% (rly it was higher, more like 44-48%) isn't too great for a center, but again, it's not complete shit, not like he was good at shooting middys anyway so he kinda had to rely on his scoring down low.
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yay this is my 2nd most upvoted comment! my first upvoted comment has 4 upvotes, while @Klayyyyyy's most upvoted comment is on the goat scal.
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Great. Joke. Most. Overrated. Ever. End. Of. Story.
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Ok? Thanks for the meaningless stat. I thought we were debating who was the better player?
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Uhhhhhh. No...
Have you even looked at their head to head performances? Or how the Celtics got worse in the playoffs?
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What does that mean?
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he means they shut wilt down but stopped playing defense when the game was secure.
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Wilt was farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr more valuable than Russell.
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Because he was taking a team that was the worst in the league before he joined against a team with 7 HOFers...
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Ummmm... Again obviously wrong...
When Russell joined they were already the 2nd best team in the league. He joined with HOFers KC Jones and Tom Heinsohn (who was ROY) and played half a season (why he didn't win ROY). They won 5 more game... He played a full season the year after and they only won another 5 games, and that's with another HOFer, Sam Jones, joining. They he was worth under 10 wins a season...
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More overrated than Robertson?
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Oscar???
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Players like Westbrook, Kidd, LeBron and Draymond would easily average a triple double in the 60s.
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Eh
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Westbrook and Draymond both average triple doubles per 100 possesions this season (there were 125 possesions per game in the 60s). Kidd averaged a triple double per 100 possesions 6 TIMES but everyone thinks that Robertson is better.
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I see your point, but I just don't think that it is fair to say that he is overrated. Oscar averaged 30 points along with that. I think that it is better to say the wrestbrook is underrated.
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Yeah. By miles...
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Why? Robertson's triple double season is so overrated. Westbrook, Draymond, Kidd, LeBron and many others would easily average a triple double in the 60s.
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Even pace adjusted although he doesn't average a trip dub he still puts up around 25/8/9. Not as great but with a 3 point line and less strict assist rules nowadays that would go up. Not to mention his efficiency. He shot at around the 50% mark, which is great considering the pace, volume of shots and comparatively less efficient era. While Westbrook and Kidd shoot 40-45% in a slower and more efficient era, with both having other offensive weapons on their team, Oscar was the main focus of defensive attention. Draymond is different, although I think he's great and all, he does play on possibly the greatest team of all time, helping him get those assists and shoot a decent FG%. He isn't a great scorer though (admittedly he doesn't have to be) which defiantly puts Oscar over him. IMO Lebron will be above Oscar on my all time list soon.
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Bill said himself that he never wanted to get into a numbers game with Wilt, like competing statistically. He always focused on his team, so he didn't contribute to his team statistically as much as Wilt did, and they had a reason for that. Russell won 8 championships in a row with 7 hall of famers as teammates. Wilt literally carried his team for the first 5-6 seasons until 1967, when he was in that stacked 76ers team. His teammates were awful for half of his career. He had 8 different coaches. How do you adjust to 8 different systems of playing? While Russell had Red Auerbach for almost his entire career until he became a coach himself when Red retired. Wilt had a very big role in his team and that was to literally carry them, because he was the only one in his team capable of scoring that much, that's why he didn't pass as much during his first 5-6 seasons. While Russell had about 7 hall of famers to pass the ball to. Wilt is definitely better individually, because his situation was that he never had teammates that Russell had, so he had to carry the load for his team since his teammates weren't good enough. The Celtics and Russell were a stacked team, 8 Hall of Famers including Russell, so Russell didn't have to do the things Wilt had to do for his team. This was why Wilt's teams always lost to Russell's teams in the playoffs because you can never win by yourself in basketball. Basketball is a team sport. Russell won 11 championships because he lead that stacked Celtics teams. WIlt only had 2 and those 2 teams were record breaking teams in the regular season during those times. The Celtics also had good chemistry. Russell obviously led them and was obviously very unselfish so that was why they were the team they were in the 60's. From 1969-1971, Wilt was on stacked teams, with the Lakers of Elgin and West, but his team never seemed to coexist. Elgin and Wilt hated each other and Wilt was a bit of an outcast at first because Jerry was the only one who talked to him in the locker room. That is why people think Wilt is a loser and why Russell was better than him, even though Wilt was better than Russell individually
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I find it funny that they give Bill Russel's second best year an 86, while 1964-65 version, is better, even though IRL he was worse that year.
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@Klayyyyyy Please handle this, Russel is the same overall as Wilt and has more total stats. also a higher post hook
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This site just posts the ratings that 2K gives, he can't do anything about it.
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Easily one of the best rebounding and defensive big men in the game. They even gave him a bit of offense with that 97 hook.
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Just based off the historic Bill's price, this will probably be the cheapest MVP Diamond card.
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Nah there is no way it won't be MVP Bob Cousy. I use my 90 overall reward amethyst over his 93 overall reward.
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He is a strong possibility, I honestly forgot that he even had a diamond MVP. Bill will still probably be the second cheapest.
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Why people is selling this card at less than 100k mts???!!! People is crazy!
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i got him for 80k on ps4. He's amazing. Ive had the historic Bill Russell who was great but this one is a better finisher, worth the extra 10-20k
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For that reason I don't Know, he is a beast, and people is giving away!
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Because most people (it seems) rate offense as more important then defence. I pulled him in a MVP pack and despite the 60 free throw rating he is pretty consistent thanks to the free throw motion. He is also extremely athletic and with the +9 Speed shoe his speed rating is 86. I managed to perform a chasedown block on a Russell Westbrook fastbreak and his vertical is enough to win a jump ball vs Manute Bol
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Can someone tell me why is this card so cheap?
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he is limited on offense (no jumpshot) and your average 2k player doesn't know how to utilize his playmaking ability. he is also 6'10 and your average 2k player is obsessed with having a 7' center (even though Bill is at worst the second best defensive center in the game). lastly, the market crashed and everything is cheap. the historic Bill card had a high pull rate and so you can get a very slightly inferior version of this MVP card for even cheaper.
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I dont know if I should get this card or not? I have Hakeem DPOY as my starting Center, and Drob Dpoy off the bench. My starting PF is Bob Pettit MVP, and my backup PF is current AD. I have 150k mt and hes like that much on Xbox
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I just picked him up and he's a defensive beast so I'd say it depends on what your looking for. If you want to use your center for a lot of post game and need a decent mid-range go with Hakeem, but Bill is still pretty good inside with a 97 post hook and he uses the sky hook animation, and he is much more athletic and a better rebounder than Hakeem.
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Please help me with my lineup. Much appreciated
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/306435/current-lineup
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He is the GOAT this should be 99
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The GOAT???
ROFL
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11 rings
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Sam Jones 10 rings = 2nd GOAT?
Robert Horry 7 rings = top 3 SF?
Elgin Baylor 0 rings < Luke Walton, Scalabrine, DJ Mbenga etc?
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Bill also is:
5x MVP
Undefeated in game 7
One of the greatest defensive players of all time
Dominated when it matter the most
When comparing careers he makes Wilt Chamberlain's career a joke
There is no one that has even come close to Bill's accomplishments in sports.
It makes no sense why his card is not a 99 because he won the MVP over Wilt's 50 PPG season and Oscar's triple double season
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MVP is voted for by the NBA, the NBA hated Wilt.
His team were undefeated in game 7`s you mean?
Ok he is one of the greatest defensive players of all time, i`ll give you that, but I don`t see Ben Wallace, Mutombo, Artest etc. being called the
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How did he dominate when it mattered? He performed as usual, as did his team. They were the best in the regular season and the best in the playoffs, no "clutch" at work there.
Well I do find Wilts career funny, I mean you`d think somebody was joking if they told you about it without knowing it was real. Russell`s career was indeed dull in comparison, apart from the team achievements nothing exceptional.
I don`t see what achievements you`re talking about. Even the team ones, since many of his teammate`s have nearly as many rings, while Wilt owns half the NBA record book. If you`re talking about overratedness then indeed only 1 athlete comes close to Russell, Michael Jordan.
His card isn`t a 99 because he averaged 15 PPG on 44% shooting... Even if it was 99 on defense his offense shouldn`t be boosted to a 99. In all honesty it should be 75 at most, with only post hook above 80, he should have decent passing too but that`s it. Completely overrated, like 97 post control, 97 off con, 98 shot IQ etc. You think that should be boosted???
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It's 2k buddy, this is the company that makes Curry super athletic and a good defender. Don't take these ratings so serious.
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I'm not talking about the ratings...
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Did you train with Russell? How do you know how his hook was? I know he is overrated, but your hating on him is ridiculous. Wilt was better, everyone knows that. He was a defensive beast, and you saying he wasn't clutch is stupid. There are such things as clutch defensive plays.
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His speed and ball control should be upgraded because he was the first to help revolutionize the fast break for big men. And his rebounding should be maxed out also wilt should and most of his defensive attributes should be maxed out. That would make him a 99 overall. I think he should be 99 because if MJ is he definitely should be. Also your opinion is your opinion and mine is mines.
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Probably the worst diamond card. If i opened a pack and saw his other diamonds, i would give it up for a moments demarcus with a lower overall. Dude averaged 19 points and 23 rebounds. Wilt averaged 37 points and 27 rebs and he has the same overall (97). Yes, he's the MVP, but c'mon, cards should be rated based on the stats, efficiency, and ratings, not because he "changed" playing defense! Yes, I agree he could be one of the best post defenders and best team player, but in myteam, it doesn't really matter if the player won 11 chapionships. They should bump this down to an amethyst. 97 is waaaaay to high for a dude that can only rebound and block
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Wilt never fouled out of a game. If he had 5 or 4 fouls he'd basically stop playing. Wilt was traded so many times, no player would like him on their team, he was selfish. Russel was a team player, every player would like Russel on their teams. When Russel blocked shots he'd try to give them to his teammates, when Wilt blocked shots he tried to showoff, blocking it out of bounds.
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hey, everyone has their opinion and I respect yours but some of your statements are false. Yes, he never fouled out of a game but Wilt kept playing. Not one player that played with or against Wilt has ever said that he just stopped playing to have that one stat line. The man averaged 48.5 minutes in a season as well as averaging 45.8 minutes a game for his entire career. He also averaged 30.1 points his entire career. It may have been higher because when he was on the Lakers he took a more defensive and rebounding role rather than the main scorer. The man could still score but chose to change his role as a player to win another championship.
His teammates loved playing with him. There are interviews of his teammates talking about him. Wilt was actually an excellent passer. He also led the league in assists as a center for a year. In 1964 he averaged 5 assists. In 1967 he averaged 7.8 assists and in 1968 he averaged 8.6.
Wilt was an amazing athlete and basketball player who was very competitive and always wanted to win however, Bill Russell was better overall at making his teammates better.
You said when Wilt blocked shots he blocked them out of bounds. First look at the players today like Dwight Howard or Hassan Whiteside and you see many blocks go out of bounds. It is better to block a shot to prevent a basket than to never have blocked it in the first place. There are actually many videos of Wilt literally catching the shot in mid air and pushing it down court to his teammates. Yes, he has blocked them out of bounds just like Russell, just like the guys today.
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And Russell blocked shots to his teammates. Russel was surely less talented, but he was a better player as his 80-64 record against Wilt showed. You might say that Bill just had better teams, but even in '65 with a worse team than Wilt, he still got a ring. Russell was great for a team, Wilt was great for a stat line.
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Before he was updated to a diamond his gold had a lower block, offensive rebound and defensive rebound than Muggsy Bogues.
#2klogic
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In what world should Bill Russell have 96 strength? 2K does realize he was only skinny without a wide frame right?
MVP awards have never been awarded to the best player in the league...Theyve always been given to the best player ON THE BEST TEAM...thats why Russell and Kareem and Nash got multiple although they werent the best player in the league...During the 80s Magic and Bird should have basically won every year... Nash and co got awards in a time when kobe was averaging 35 pts per game...and Russell got awards while Wilt was bangin home 50...its all about whether or not youre on a good team...Prime Wilt was on a shitty SF/Philly team for years, Kobe's Prime years came in the post Shaq LA years when he had to share the court with kwame and co and didnt have a good enough team between 03 and 08. Thats why I never took the award seriously...I really think they should redo the past 60 years of MVPs because then we'd see Wilt, MJ, Kobe and co with the most MVPs and not some random good team players with 1-2 MVPs here and there -_-
Russell got the MVP because players and coaches voted on the award instead of the media, and Russell due to the benefit of a loaded super team looked like he was doing more for his team despite being vastly inferior to Wilt in almost every single statistic. Wilt came off as being a bad teammate to a lot of players. He very well would have won the MVP award by a landslide if today's voting system was in place. It was just a matter of how the voting worked then which is why Wilt didn't get it.
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Show 2 replies...Thats true. I know that there was a change in MVP voting rules but sadly even todays system isnt the best. You're right tho that a 50ppg season would give you an MVP no matter what :p But when its closer (but still far) todays system always awards the best player ON THE BEST TEAM the MVP...best example, Kobe's 35ppg season and Nash won the award...so in that sense it still tends to go to the best teammates on the best teams. I remember a while back there was a statistic and there hadnt been an MVP of team seeded lower than like 3rd for decades. Thats why some players havnt really had a fair shot IMO...Might be different for some people but as Kobe is my favorite player it was frustrating to see everyone know he was the best between about 03 and 09, put on some of the greatest performances ever but because his team never got back to playoff runs or higher seeds until 08 and 09, he kept getting outvoted by other players :/ Tough choice to make sometimes tho!
tbh elgin should have won it that year
Same story with TMac when he avg. 32 ppg but was on a .500 team
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Show 2 replies...And Westbrook
Same story when Brian scalabrine was scoring 123454334567665433456788765244456654.4 ppg in 07 but dirk whon mvp
So true. You would think AD would be a legit contender last year, but...the pelicans...got swept in the playoffs...but seriously when was the last time a player won a fully deserved MVP award while being on a bad team?
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Show 4 replies...The sad truth. Well it legit doesnt happen. I think theres only been like 2 with sub .600 teams or something like that. Its ridiculous. Kobe had the bad luck of having his greatest years 03-09 with a rather shitty team. of he had the championship in 03 and 09 and the debate there is different but between that he was the scoring leader twice, was clearly the best player in the world and only ever won 1. Tmac didnt win a single despite averaging 32 PPG because his team was shit and he never survived in the playoffs. Shaq only won 1 because he got robbed once and was there to rebuild a shitty orlando and a shitty LA team during some of his prime seasons. Its totally a luck thing. MJ had the luxury of having his prime years on championship teams (not saying he wasnt deserving because he shouldve won either way) but now Curry will win 2... Basically out of the top 100 players around 90 have never won more than 2. Is Curry top 10 all time? Hell no.
100% agree with you. This MVP is complete BS. After looking up who won MVP awards, I came across this killer fact. Since the 1982–83 season, every winner was from a team that won at least 50 games (.609 winning %) in the regular season that year. EVERY SINGLE FRICKIN WINNER. 23 TIMES IN A ROW. I can see the voter's bias in why, but 23 years of this is just astonishing. Someone please come in and break this chain.
Yeah they wont tho :/ Its always gonna be the "best player on the BEST TEAM" not the best player overall...Otherwise overall MVP wins would look more like this
- MJ, Kobe, Wilt all with like 6, cuz they were unparalleled during their respective eras.
- Magic, Bird, Oscar and co close behind
- Nash and co without an MVP instead of 2 -_-
Really annoys me, and I hate how the MVP voting system works like it shouldn't matter how well your team does it should be how the player plays respectively. Good players on good teams tend to show more "output" because of how well they are doing, as opposed to a good player on a bad team. People will look at the same stats but still say "Oh his team sucks, and he didn't do that much to contribute to it."
look man, i agree with you on this. i just have to point out though that kareem did deserve atleast 3 of his mvps. he's actally the only nba player in history to win an mvp on a team that didnt make the playoffs. (his first or second season with the lakers). and saying magic and bird should have won is quite contradictory isn't it? from 80-89 i think the los angeles didnt make it past the second round ONCE.
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Show 4 replies...Dude...what are you talking about hahaha? The lakers won 5 championships in that time :'D they sure as hell made it past the second round lol. Also I agree that Kareem deserved a couple, just not all 6. The MVP award is awarded by some dumbass sportswriters to THE BEST TEAMS best player. its not a best player overall award which is sad. Best evidence is Currys unanimous MVP this season which is a joke. That would mean that Curry this season was so good compared to everyone else that the MVP race was the least close its ever been. pfff please, Wilts 50ppg, Kobe's 35ppg, Shaq's 00 season when 1 idiot voted for AI, Oscars tri dub etc. Curry was barely the scoring leader and is a defensive abomination. Westbrook, Kawhi, Durant all deserved at least 1 vote.
i said that the lakers DIDNT make it past the second round once. like, in ten season there was one time where they didnt reach the conference finals. i said i agree with you, just that saying magic and bird should have won throughout the 80s contradicts your statement that mvps are always on contenders, cause those guys were on contenders for the large part of their career
not contradicting because I never said MVPs couldnt be on contenders! Many times they should! Just not always. Magic and Bird were the best players of the 80's and wouldve been even if they were on shitty teams. Winning most of the MVPs in that tim period is well deserved! Im just saying that some players who werent on contenders like Kobe for his prime years, Wilt for many of his prime years should have won many more MVPs but didnt because the MVP is given to the best team, not the best player in the world.
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Yes, but Kobe should have won the MVP 3 times.
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Show 9 replies...more like 6 times tbh (Y)
More than Jordan for sure, I mean LBJ doesnt even have 35 years and has 4 MVP's
yup, in '06 and '07.
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yeah
he should've won in '06 i think. IK their record wasn't great but he literally carried the Lakers to the playoffs, almost beating the Suns, who had 2 time MVP Steve Nash.
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Show 1 reply...Oscar, Magic, Shaq, Bird and a couple more
Bill Russell 17 and 22
Wilt chamberlin 50 and 24
Oscar Robertson 30 11 and 12
Walt Bellemy 31 ppg
jerry west 30.8 ppg
MVP ...
Bill russell
You forgot elgin who should have won it
@DirkMamba I agree. Think of it this way. It is called the Most Valuable Player award, not the Best Player award. Bill was a more valuable asset to his team because he was the leader of the best team in the NBA who then won the championship. Wilt was the best player by a loooongshot, but he wasn't the most valuable. I hadn't ever really thought of it that way until now, but it makes sense. It's complete BS that they don't have a Best Player award, becuz the NFL does, but that's why Bill won and not Wilt. That's also why Curry won instead of Harden last year.
i completely agree with you. The Best Player Award should've existed long ago for the NBA. Players who had the best stats and literally carried a team by themselves, players like Wilt, Kobe, Shaq, who were players who definitely deserve more MVP's or even players who should've won at least 1 MVP because of their ridiculous performance should be recognized
I agree. MVP is the highest honor and Kobe should have won it more because he was Valuable but at the same time he was one of the greatest basketball players in many seasons.
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Show 3 replies...Okay and you are telling me LeBron doesn't deserve it. You can say the same exact thing for LeBron and it's even more true. LeBron has had to carry a lot more than Kobe did.
And I have to respect LeBron so I won't say anything more if your a LeBron fan. Kobe>LeBron
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Yeah I know, I just hate it cuz Wilt probs also wouldve won a championship if he was on the celtics.. thats why its just luck of having great managers and coaches that put a great team around you. Just annoys me cuz then all these Lebron dickriders come along and say he has more MVPs than Kobe and Wilt therefore hes better, but Lebron always trades to the best teams, while Kobe's prime (03-10) was mainly spent with shit teams, same for Wilt in the early 60's. Thats how players like Nash and Curry manage to win 2 mvps and thats just dumb IMO
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Show 34 replies...Well that's not exactly true. If Wilt was on the Celtics he wouldn't have scored nearly as much because the offense wouldn't have revolved around him like it did when he was on the Celtics. For all we know Bill Russell could've scored as much as Wilt if he was on the Lakers, just probably not as efficiently. And with LeBron that's not true either. LeBron almost single-handedly took a weak-ass Cavs team to a championship over a fucking superpower Warriors squad. LeBron has more MVPs not just because he was the best player on the best teams, but also simply because he was the best player. He put up ridiciouls numbers on an already stacked team and won a chamionship at the same team. Back when he was on the Cavs and never won a championship because the team sucked so badly and without LeBron they would've had a shitty record. Proof is how he took the Cavs to the playoffs with ease, and then when they lose him and get Kyrie instead to lead the team they are the worst team in the NBA. Then the first year he returns all they add is Kevin Love and they go straight to the finals. And then Love gets out in the final game of the first round against the Celtics and LeBron leads them to wins over the Hawks and Bulls by himself with a weak Kyrie Irving. Then Kyrie plays only one game in the NBA Finals and gets injured and is out the rest of the series. LeBron then has to put Cleveland on his 30-yo shoulders and try to bring them home a championship. He lead both teams in points, rebounds, and assists, but couldn't bring home the championship because it's just not gonna happen. One player can't beat an entire Warriors team when they are as good as they are, but 'Bron got as close as you gonna get.
Wow, not even gonna respond to that, my point exactly.. but your opinion mate, cool for u (Y)
What do you mean your point exactly? LeBron is overall better than Kobe, not cuz of the MVPs, but just better. LeBron prime he could do everything including shoot. Kobe is a friggin stud don't get me wrong top 10 for sure possibly top 7 or 8, but LeBron is a bit higher all I'm saying. Wilt number 1 or 2 prolly IMO, Bill right around where Kobe is. Here's my top-10
1. MJ
2. Wilt (comletely debatable I understand why)
3. LeBron
4. Kareem
5. Magic
6. Kobe
7. Timmy
8. Hakeem
9. Bill Russell
10. Dr J
11. Shaq
12. Larry Legend
13. Big O
14. Jerry West
15. Dirk
That's my opinion, don't judge, I understand others may think differently
Well its ur opinion but saying Lebron is definitely better than Kobe is dumb...Imma respect your opinion but Kobe, Wilt and MJ make up the top three, in no particular order. Lebron is 2-5 in finals, also Lebron isnt done with his career, wait for the next 8 years when his stats decline...Kobe will surpass him even in that regard. Prime Kobe > Prime Lebron anyday...Kobe is undeniably the greatest 1v1 player ever - coaches, teammates and even MJ, Tmac and AI agree on that. And for apparently being so selfish, hes managed to be a better winner and champion than Lebron...also basketball is 50% offense, 50% defense...Kobe has far more all nba defensive team wins than lebron...Lebron gains a lot from Media attention and social media that wasnt even around for most of Kobes career but of course during Lebrons prime. 90% of Lebrons fans are bandwagon fans and now Curry has taken that spot. You can still think Lebron is better, its about opinion and seeing players play with your own eyes, not online debates and stats...but dont gimme "definite" Lebron is better BS, cuz u cant rebuttal any of the facts above so dont try, I wont respond to useless debates.
Kobe has a losing record without Shaq or Pau.
LeBron has a winning record without Wade or Bosh.
Lebron in his prime is statistically better than prime Kobe. LeBron won a championship in his best season (2013), Kobe lost in the 1st round (in 2006, but his team did suck).
LeBron at the age of 31 is carrying a below average team to the 3rd best record in the league (behind 2 historicly good teams).
LeBron did get a lot of media attention but he also got a lot of hate. People say that he is very unclutch although his stats in the clutch are great.
Just my opinion.
Mmm I don't think Kobe would make the top 3. He isn't undeniably the greatest 1v1 player ever. LeBron is a way better defender than Kobe that's for sure. Honestly plenty could destroy Kobe in a 1v1 MJ would
ARE YOU KIDDING???
Lmao not at all even Kareem would make it over him. Look at numbers and shit, not just awards I can see you putting Kobe over LeBron, although it aint true, but putting Kobe over Kareem and some others is kinda bull
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bruh ur like 8 years old i doubt you would know shit about the nba lmfao
He's way older than 8 wtf are you stupid or some shit with YOUR BEST BUD KID TRASH who is more trash than kevin love
lmao ig you are the 8 year old
You're a sad little stupid and 5 year old woman.
so true
lmfao you make no sense but you actin like you know more than NBA analysts when I doubt you know shit ab the NBA what's your top 10 of all time?
Ok than, what was the worst record to make it to the playoffs?
I don't know and I honestly don't care you prolly had to google it to look it up, I didn't lookup shit like that im about the stats and the players i could care less about random teams from the 70s that sucked and made it to the playoffs
Nope I didn't look it up lol. Fuck boooyyy
Yeah I bet u did buddy. u know what fuck boy means?
Jeremy, SHUT THE FUCK UP. Stop tryin to bully kids, while youre whoring dislikes like your mom. If you want to argue, be a man and do it in real life, not on this site behind ur screen. pfff 16, id beat the living shit out of you, So stop being a cock to some of the best users around. @OutlawKing2k @LebronJamesGoesBack
Well we already cleared it up so idk what to say bud. Doubt u would beat the shit out of me, if you are an adult that's just sad on it's own
Actually its not, I just happen to have my own company, which is running pretty well, so I have some time off to game with my school and college friends. I would not talk back to me like that.
Well if that's true then good shit but I can talk to you however you want. I shouldn't have said that cuz I will be playing this game when I'm an adult too lol it won't be all I do but I will play it as a recreational activity. if what u said is true then that's awesome bro I'll be happy for u
Wasn't bein a dick really to u anyway I don' think. I respect your opinions I just don't agree.
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IM 13 Fuck Boy
13 still kinda young tho so im not really expecting you to know much about the NBA i didnt when i was 13
You probably ain't even 13 bitch!
you are right, im not, im 16
Jeremy watch out all of the 10 year olds are ganging up.They get nasty when they are like that lmao
kobe way better than Lebron wtf are you drinking
alright u think that lmfao
Kobe would be in the top 5 in my opinion. Even though LeBron has more MVP's it's because he was kind of overrated and Kobe Bryant won 2 championships in a row with Gasol but Kobe got no MVP for being valuable. The Lakers wouldn't have won a championship without him. Kobe is 5-2 in the finals. LeBron needs superstars like Kyrie, Kevin, Wade & Bosh. Kobe should have 3+ MVP's. You might think different. For Kobe to win those MVP's, Take 2/4 MVP's out of LeBron's shelf and give them to Kobe. Easy to say Kobe and MJ are in the top 3 and LeBrick won't make it so it's easy to say. Kobe>LeBron. Done
Kobe had superstars too. He had shaq who happens to be one of the greatest centers of all time. You saying that kyrie is one of the best PG ever? And same with pau. Also the teams that LeBron has faced in the finals are better. He just beat the team with the best ever regular season record with just Kyrie, while leading both teams in 5 categories. Did Kobe ever do that? LeBron also has more seasons to catch up to Kobe. Your arguments are invalid and LeBron is an easy top-3, and better than Kobe.
Can you blame him?
No. I blame whoever voted on the award
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Show 1 reply...same lol
lol true oscar also averaged a triple double, with 30pts on top of it
also had like 5 other players who averaged 30ish points
and oscar robertson averaged a triple double
I know what your saying, but MVP is for the player that led his team to success during the season. I do like Wilt more than Russell, and the only reason Wilt didn't get it is because he did not have a good, supportive team.
ikr, he wasn't even in the All NBA First-Team as MVP on 2 different occasions. Why did he even win it? Wilt or Oscar should've won it.
thrice he was in the All NBA Second Team as an MVP. Bob Pettit and Wilt were in the All NBA First-Team when Russell won those 3 MVP's as a All NBA Second Team Player
I know that's so cheese
Remember Oscar averaged a triple-double in the 1962 season. Wilt or Oscar could have won the MVP. Oscar was still rising but I think he could have won a MVP but wilt should have. Bill was the greatest in the 50's and the early 60's
nah, Pettit was the best player before Wilt came. His stats were stacked from '58-'64.
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Show 4 replies...well elgin came a year before wilt and led his shitty Lakers team to the finals when the Lakers were so close to being defunct. Somehow did it as a rookie. Didn't win MVP that year. How does elgin or Jerry not win an MVP, because there supporting cast was complete crap. BILL RUSSELL, the luckiest player in NBA history. Having 7 hall of famers as teammates
true but my lakers weren't that bad of a team.. and plus bill had an advantage because they were only 10 teams so they had 1 out of 10 chance of winning the nba tittle compared to now 1 out of 30... jerry needs mvp nd elgin but did you know pettit had the worst stats of any MVP in history of the NBA?
the 1959 Lakers, who else did Elgin have?
not much I just meant they had a lot of chemistry centered around Elgin
also Oscar Robertson averaged a Trip Dub
It was also the year Oscar averaged a triple-double!!
Baylor also averaged 38-20-5. At least 3 players deserved it more than Russell
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Show 3 replies...he also played only 48 games due to being in the navy. How do you average 38 PPG in such a situation like that! Damn Elgin. The Original lebron
stfu
How can you deny that Baylor > Russell that year?
Russell was voted mvp by the other nba players in that season
Wilt was more talented and better statistically, rusself was more important and valuable to his team and gave them a better chance to win