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'60 Bill Russell

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General information

Theme
Rewards
Position
C / PF
Added
Release
Height
6'10" (208cm)
Weight
215lbs (97kg)
Age
26
Plays
P&R Point

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'60 Bill Russell diamond card

97 Overall

46 Outside scoring

  • 45 Standing shot mid
  • 44 Moving shot mid
  • 25 Standing shot 3pt
  • 33 Moving shot 3pt
  • 98 Shot IQ
  • 61 Free throw
  • 97 Offensive consistency

92 Inside scoring

  • 96 Standing shot close
  • 95 Moving shot close
  • 98 Standing layup
  • 76 Driving layup
  • 97 Standing dunk
  • 85 Driving dunk
  • 65 Contact dunk
  • 82 Draw foul
  • 95 Post control
  • 96 Post hook
  • 65 Post fadeaway
  • 98 Hands

89 Athleticism

  • 78 Speed
  • 77 Acceleration
  • 85 Vertical
  • 95 Strength
  • 98 Stamina
  • 98 Hustle
  • 97 Overall durability

71 Playmaking

  • 45 Ball control
  • 78 Passing accuracy
  • 80 Passing vision
  • 88 Passing IQ

95 Defending

  • 97 On-ball defense IQ
  • 98 Low post defense IQ
  • 98 Help defense IQ
  • 97 Pick & roll defense IQ
  • 70 Lateral quickness
  • 94 Pass perception
  • 98 Reaction time
  • 72 Steal
  • 98 Block
  • 99 Shot contest
  • 98 Defensive consistency

98 Rebounding

  • 97 Offensive rebound
  • 98 Defensive rebound
  • 98 Boxout
  • 3682 Total attr.

Outside Scoring

Unfazed

Can maintain his hot streak throughout timeouts and breaks better than most.

Inside Scoring

Hustle Points

Adept at making shots immediately following offensive rebounds near the basket.

Screen Outlet

Excels as the screener in the pick & roll game.

Bank Is Open

Excels at banking in jumpers.

Post Spin Technician

Dominates the post with his ability to beat his defender spin and drive moves.

Drop Stepper

Known for his ability to us the drop step move to his advantage in the post.

Post Hoperator

Excels at making hop-shots out of the post.

Dream-like Up and Under

Known for his ability to use the drop step move to his advantage in the post.

Post Hook Specialist

Known for his ability to make hook shots from the post at a high percentage.

Playmaking

Flashy Passer

Known for throwing accurate flashy passes.

Break Starter

Starts fastbreaks with accurate outlet passes.

Dimer

Elite passer known for hitting teammates in position to score.

Athleticism

Bruiser

The physical nature of this player drains energy from his match-up.

Brick Wall

Sets extremely effective screens and drains energy on pick collisions.

Defending

Post Lockdown Defender

Drops offensive post attributes of direct match up while playing post defence.

Interceptor

More adept at stealing passes than others

Pick Pocket

Known for his ability to strip the ball from a ball-handler.

Eraser

Amazing shot blocker who drops interior scoring attributes of opponents while near the rim.

Chasedown Artist

Chases players down on fast breaks and effectively swats their shots from behind.

Rebounding

Scrapper

A hustle player who wins loose ball battles.

Offensive Crasher

An elite defensive rebounder known for chasing rebounds out of his area.

Defensive Crasher

An elite offensive rebounder known for his ability to get through and around boxouts.

Personality

Alpha Dog

Steps his game up when his teammates are performing poorly.

Road Dog

Elevates his play when playing in road games.

Prime Time

Elevates his play in games of great significance.

Closer

Steps his game up in the 4th quarter and overtime when the game is close

Fierce Competition

Elevates his game when being outplayed or instigated.

Mentor

Gets younger players focused in on the game when they commit mistakes.

Heart and Soul

Rallies team when things are getting out of hand. Helps team stay focused.

Defensive Anchor

Defensive leader who can make his teammates better defensively.

Hardened

A tough player that will play through fatigue and inury without experiencing a sever drop in skill.

Laid Back

Generally pretty chill at all times.

Dunks

  • 90 Standing dunk
  • 83 Driving dunk
  • 83 Flashy dunk
  • 75 Alley-oop
  • 99 Putback dunk
  • 5 Crash

Layups

  • 90 Standing layup
  • 83 Driving layup
  • 65 Spin layup
  • 59 Hop step layup
  • 55 Euro step layup
  • 68 Floater

Jump shooting

  • 64 Step through shot
  • 68 Shot under basket
  • 20 Shot close
  • 6 Shot close left
  • 2 Shot close middle
  • 0 Shot close right
  • 0 Shot mid
  • 0 Shot 3pt
  • 0 Contested jumper
  • 0 Stepback jumper
  • 0 Spin jumper
  • 50 Transition pull up 3pt
  • 50 Use glass

Drive setup

  • 5 Triple threat pump fake
  • 38 Triple threat jab step
  • 74 Triple threat idle
  • 10 Triple threat shoot
  • 0 Setup with sizeup
  • 1 Setup with hesitation
  • 97 No setup dribble

Driving

  • 50 Drive
  • 10 Drive right
  • 2 Driving crossover
  • 0 Driving spin
  • 0 Driving step back
  • 0 Driving half spin
  • 20 Driving double crossover
  • 0 Driving behind the back
  • 0 Driving dribble hesitation
  • 30 Driving in and out
  • 75 No driving dribble move
  • 75 Attack strong on drive

Freelance

  • 46 Shoot
  • 46 Touches
  • 0 Roll vs. pop

Post game

  • 80 Post up
  • 10 Post shimmy shot
  • 0 Post face up
  • 50 Post back down
  • 65 Post aggressive backdown
  • 75 Shoot from post
  • 50 Post hook left
  • 50 Post hook right
  • 0 Post fade left
  • 0 Post fade right
  • 0 Post up and under
  • 0 Post hop shot
  • 0 Post step back shot
  • 45 Post drive
  • 10 Post spin
  • 80 Post drop step
  • 40 Post hop step

Passing

  • 80 Dish to open man
  • 5 Flashy pass
  • 0 Alley oop pass

Defense

  • 65 Pass interception
  • 20 Take charge
  • 62 On-ball steal
  • 99 Contest shot
  • 99 Block shot
  • 30 Foul
  • 42 Hard foul

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    19

    MOAT (most overrated of all time)

    Even more overrated than Jordan, yep...

    12

    People are agreeing with Klayyyyyy??

    2

    Because this ones obvious, and no ones brainwashed into thinking Russell is better than he is, well they're brainwashed to believe rings matter but I think I've knocked that out of people's head.

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    -3

    Agreed. most of Russell's rings are thanks to his teammates.

    11

    That's not true. Russell might have been bad at offense, but the reason that Celtics team was so good was their defense- and Russell was the center (no pun intended) of that. He also is the second best rebounder of all time behind Wilt. Without Russell they probably wouldn't have won any rings, Wilt would have STOMPED them without the amazing defender in Russell to slow him down.

    0

    I'm like 40/60 with that.

    -2

    They were the 2nd best team in the league before Russell... That's a league with George Mikan, Bob Pettit, Maurice Stokes, Neil Johnston etc. Roaming the paint

    1

    1. That was with Cousy. 2. But if Wilt was sooooooooooo good...

    0

    Yeah but you said without Bill Russell the HOF centers would have destroyed the Celtics, they had Cousy for a lot of Russell's early years too and were barley better than before Russell.

    Wilt took the worst team in the league to game 7 against the best team in the league, Russell took the 2nd best team in the league and with 3 other HOF additions made them the best, which they probably would have been anyway (before Wilt)

    1

    Well one thing that saddens me is ESPN and the likes are all debating what the best team of all time is, the 96 Bulls or the current Warriors, and never mention the 60's Celtics...

    0

    Yeah same. If you compare directly the Celtics are far better, I mean 7 HOFers? It wouldn't be possible to create such a stacked team in the 90's or today, which proves even more how good they were!

    -3

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    -10

    These niggas stupid bro

    8

    yeah... he was a great defender, especially for his size, but his offense was TERRIBLE. I mean, in the 8 consecutice titles, the celtics were dead last in offense many times, and only in the upper half of the league in offense once.

    0

    You don't need to be the best or center of an offense if you are probably the 1st or 2nd best defender in history. Bill Russell kept 50 PPG Wilt to 35 PPG (a 15 point drop) in the playoffs.

    It's also not fair to say his offense was terrible. With the exception of his last season (9.9 PPG), he never averaged under double digit points in his career, and even averaged 18.9 PPG in 61-62.

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    2

    If Bill Russell didn't exist, Wilt might have gotten all of those championships, and that makes him one of the best defenders of all time. But still, even as a whole, compared to the other teams of the time, the celtic's offense back then was pretty mediocre. It was their (mainly Russell's) defense that defined them.

    0

    I mostly agree with that, but I would say their offense was at least a little above average. Sam Jones was a very good shooter and did hold the Celtics points in a game record (51) at one point. All of this happened before the three point shot was introduced, which it is believed Sam Jones regularly would have shot from.

    0

    Actually, I guess besides Jones they didn't really have any major scorers. So, I guess you're right.

    0

    they had john havlicek for the last 4 champs

    0

    Also, everybody sleeps on the fact that this team created the fast break, they were way ahead of their time. great players, great strategy, great defense just all leads to a great offense that is slept on

    1

    if you combined the 2013 clippers(fast break offense), and this years spurs(legendary defense), you'd get the celtics of the 60s

    7

    Bill Russell was the really the first one to show that Defense wins games. You don't have to be an Elite Scorer like Jerry West or Wilt. You can impact the game just as much with blocks, rebounds and defense.

    -7

    All of which Wilt did as well

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    -1

    Russell played defense better. Even though they didnt record blocks then, newpaper articles would talk about Russell's 15+ blocks that game like it was ordinary for him.

    2

    Wilt didn't make his teamates better. Wasn't a leader like Russell. Wilt i think is still better but in a league today of about 3 good centers you have to respect him.

    -1

    There is footage of Wilt blocking 23 shots in a playoff game late in his career. That`s when he was like 30...

    Are you new here by any chance? I`ve already proven Wilt helped his teams win far more than Russell.

    0

    Your saying wilt is a better defender?

    -2

    Not necessarily but he was at least as good at blocking.

    0

    Listen, I know you like wilt and I respect your opinion, but Bill Russell is the GREATEST defending center ever. For being 6'10, he could lock you down. Wilt is taller, better post game, WAYY more athletic, Etc etc.. But you can not deny greatness, and 11 rings doesnt come easy. Even though I dont like wilt because he was a stat whore IMO, He is better then bill in everything except defense.

    0

    Wilt is the greatest OFFENSIVE center. Russell is the better defensive center.

    -1

    I agree that Russell was a better all around defender, just not a better blocker

    -2

    11 Rings

    0

    So...

    1

    All I'm going to say is that if Russell wasn't in the paint to slow down Wilt. A lot of those championships would've went Wilts way. With out Russell the Celtics wouldn't have any of those rings. In his games against wilt his PER didn't go down at all it went up! Wilts games against russell His PER was cut in half. Still not better than Wilt but he was dominant against anyone he played because he locked them down

    1

    Where do you get your information? Not criticizing just interested

    0

    If Wilt wasn`t on the Warriors they would have been the worst team in the league for 5-10 years instead of finalists.

    1

    I'd like to agree, but I was -27 years old when he stop playing. So, yeah

    0

    anyone else remember this

    0

    R u crazy?!?!?!?!?! Bill Russell should be a 98-99. Eleven rings?? Does that ring a bell?
    #MoreRingsThanFingers

    0

    this is a reward not his regular card, of course the stats r good

    -2

    The regular one`s the same overall...

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    1

    shit im blind, tbh bill should b a 95, hakeem should b 96.

    -1

    If you want the MOAT, the guy you're looking for retired this year.

    -1

    Come on man Richard Jefferson is an all time great! #StopTheHate #LetTheRingDoTheTalking

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    0

    RJ said hell play another year at the parade ;)

    -1

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    -2

    You new here?

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    0

    yep

    0

    Well that explains your comment...

    0

    I feel sorry for new people because they've missed so much happening on the website.....

    14

    Rated better than kareem. *clap, clap*

    18

    Also has 1 less offensive consistency than Hakeem, pretty much the same post stats as Hakeem, WTF you doing 2k Bill might have been a great defender but he was ass at offense.

    -12

    He was never ass at offense, he just focused more on defense. Educate yourself.

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    21

    He shot 44% from the field as a center. That's terrible. Educate yourself

    -13

    Yeah use my insult against me nice one. Compare him to other centers/players at the time. Educate yourself.

    14

    The other centers at that time shoot a higher field goal percentage than him

    -11

    Except they didn't, do some actual research.

    13

    Wilt, Willis Reed, Bellamy, Kareem, Thurmond, Bob Lanier, and Wes Unseld all shoot a higher field goal percentage than Bill. Go look it up.

    -10

    Yeah and most of those guys didn't play at the same time as Bill Russell smart one.

    11

    They all played at the same time as Russell...

    Pace adjusted and per 36 minutes Russell is basically a really athletic Jokaim Noah.

    0

    Funny how the moment I say that it instantly gets 2 downvotes wtf

    0

    This is probably the best comment on the site

    -1

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    -14

    What did you delete? And stop downvoting me with all your alternate accounts I have the same amount of downvotes on all of my replies to you haha.

    4

    What alternate accounts?? And I deleted the comment because I'm done debating

    2

    I don't think he has 12 alternate accounts...

    1

    First of all I'm a celtics fan and I still realize that Russell was never good at offense. The most points he ever averaged in a season was 18.9 PPG, which when you adjust to the slower pace of play now really equates to about 12 or 13 PPG. And for a player widely considered to be one of the GOATs, that is just too little of a ppg average. Russell is still one of my favorite players ever, but tbh, I actually have him as the 4th best player the celtics every had after Bird, Pierce, and Havlicek. (this is on total terms of talent, not winning rings)

    1

    When he won the championship 8 years in a row, only once were the celtics in the upper half of the league in offense, many times being in last place.

    2

    Kareem will prob still be better though bc his height and more badges

    1

    why is that a problem?...he revolutionized the game defensively, he did like 10 blocks per game or more... at least that's what people say

    1

    So did Wilt. And Wilt was better offensively. Where's Wilt's 98 rated card?

    -1

    That's not my problem nigg, you stalking me now?

    6

    95 post control, 96 post hook, 97 offensive consistency... "Look at that BS, BS, BS"

    -3

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    5

    Nope, that's the BS people tell you, on the offensive end he was basically Jokaim Noah (better off. Rebounding of course) yeah he may not have exactly be selfish, but people have made made it out that he was this crazy unselfish hero who sacrificed everything for his team. Pace adjusted he averaged around the same PPG, APG and FG% as Noah. If he could score well if he tried then how come he only shot 44% when he wasn't trying?

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    -1

    pace adjusted? the pace was faster back then. Just cuz u love WIlt, u ain't gotta be a Bill Russell hater.

    4

    Precisely, that would inflate Russell's numbers compared to Noah's. I know you haven't been here for a while, so look at my comment on the Lakers Wilt page. It explains how I'm not a Wilt lover or a Russell hater (or even a Jordan hater)

    1

    Klayyyy its funny how 2k didnt give him cost to cost badge since the celtics introduced the fast break which had bill russel running the break cost to cost and yet they give him a 97 offensive consistancy which should at most be a 70

    1

    *Coast to Coast*
    And that is called one man fast break

    -1

    ok, I been on, just don't make much comments usually

    3

    His offensive consistency is higher than his defensive consistency on his normal card...

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    -4

    You don't see omer asik or javale mcgee winning 11 trophies do you?

    4

    Oh of course I forgot, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton and DJ Mbenga are clearly all better players than Elgin Baylor, Reggie Miller and Allen Iverson. These ratings are on point, the real issue is how Sam Jones isn't the best SG, he has the most rings, right?

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    3

    Lmaoo how is he good on the offensive end when he shot 44% as a center

    -3

    He wasn't "very good", but he was better than average. 97 offensive consistency is a bit high, but it isn't BS

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    4

    LMAO it is. He if you a adjust to the modern era he averages around 10 PPG on 48.8% FG%, in 45 MPG... I don't see Omer Asik or heck, Javale McGee with a 97 offensive consistency.

    -5

    His rating isn't BS. "Adjusting to the modern era", however, is.

    6

    How? I'm comparing him to players from the modern NBA to give you a view of how stupid these ratings are. I can adjust Asik and Mcgee's numbers to the 60's and they'd compare to Russell's. It's evening it out, I even included FG% so I'm accounting for the change in style between the era's.

    -1

    What im saying is "adjusted numbers" are BS. Because they are.

    4

    "Because they are". If you say so...

    -1

    Yes, they are. Because you don't know how they would have performed in todays NBA, despite what their "adjusted numbers" are. Russell doesn't deserve those stats, but he didn't completely suck at offense. He played all 5 positions for God's sake.

    5

    Umm no he played center... The Celtics had a HOFer starting at each position. Again I adjusted for how he would play today, increasing his FG% as he would likely not take some of those long hooks he often missed.

    -3

    There was a playoff series, I forget which one, where he played all five.

    4

    1958 finals? 1967 ECF?

    5

    Idk, either way I bet we can both agree this card shouldn't be rated higher than the bucks kareem lol

    1

    I hate to agree with Klay, but in this situation "adjusted numbers" are important. We are playing a video game that includes historical players along with modern ones. Adjusting for that difference in athletes is essential. Do you think a 6'9" center (despite the intangibles) would have those kind of stats in 2015?

    Yes, he was one of the most dominant players ever, but this is a video game that is being played in 2015, not 1965. Adjusting for the era is a must, IMO.

    0

    Admittedly Russell would probably be listed at 6'10-11 today, but still

    6

    this bs. russell was never an offensive player how are his offensive stats so high, yes this is a special card but this is like the onyx wilt last year with his unrealistic mid range stats

    9

    I completely agree with that, apart from the Wilt bit.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA

    4

    97 off consistency 97 overall wtf is this he should be 90 max

    4

    65 max IMO

    6

    Offensive consistency not overall obviously

    3

    Well, he was consistently not very good, so I guess 97 makes sense ;D

    2

    I like how 2K gives him these offensive stats when his career stats are 12.8 ppg and 44 fg%...

    I guess you could say...

    WHAT ARE THOSE
    offensive stats doing on a Bill Russell card???

    0

    Oh excuse me I put his career per 36 min stats instead of his per game, although IMO those are more telling than the per game stats...

    0

    he didnt need to score, he knew his role as a defender and a great rebounder. he was good at scoring, he didnt do it as much. thats wat havlicek was for

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    0

    I would maybe agree with you, if it weren't for his field goal percentage. A field goal percentage of 44% is pretty awful for a big man. Here are some other centers that averaged about the same points per 36 and FG% in a season:
    Zaza Pachulia
    Bill Wennington
    Marcus Camby
    Michael Olowokandi
    Vitor Faverani
    None of these players are none as even competent scorers, because they give you neither efficiency OR volume. To be a talented scorer, you have to at least be able to do well in at least one of these categories. Heck, In 2015 DeAndre Jordan averaged 12.1 points per 36 (-0.7 from Russell) and 71 FG% (+27%!!!), so DeAndre actually had a BETTER year overall on offense, and all he can really do is dunk on offense, which is pretty telling.

    0

    Pachulia is Lowkey a beast IRL. Camby was a DPOY too, but yeah he sucked on offense...

    2

    People are stupid, they say he's overrated just because he didn't think offense first, defense is so underrated and he revolutionized it, 10plus blocks per game is not overrated... I can't believe that people only care about offense... what has happened to basketball?

    1

    Nobody gets it anymore all anyone wants to do is shoot threes and so the best winner of all time is neglected because he wasn't a dominant offensive player

    -1

    Like us, it's gettin old ;)

    1

    He's literally deandre Jordan with a post game

    5

    Funny thing is he didn't even have a post game IRL. Maybe a decent hook shot but DJ has a few half decent moves himself.

    -1

    stop disrespecting Bill Russell how many rings does Deandre have huh?

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    0

    Have you read my other comments?

    2

    Actually he has no post game just looked up a few vids of him you were right props to you you actually have some very good basketball knowledge.

    0

    I know I do

    0

    DJ with a post game sounds pretty f*cking scary to me!

    0

    guess what? he's working on his post hook. *league implodes*

    1

    Why do people always downvote Klay? Arod is a racist dork, of course, but Klay actually knows what he is talking about, basketball-wise. I don't always agree with him, and sometimes I think he is downright wrong, but at least he has a real opinion based on empirical facts. Last I heard, having an opinion is not a damnable offense. As with Reddit, the downvote button is not an, "I disagree," button.

    Let's make this a positive place to discuss the game we all love. And ban horrible people like Arod. That ignorant racism should never be acceptable, even tacitly by mods allowing it to continue.

    Mods?

    3

    Well, he's definitely better than Arod, but he isn't willing to listen to other's opinions usually and ignores the facts that don't support his arguments. He also sometimes acts with too much elitism.

    2

    And, he only relies on statistics, not how they look/what emotions they bring out in the fans on the court.

    But hey, I kinda like him. At least he doesn't care what others think of him and says what he means. My only problem is that once he thinks one thing, no matter how much you debate, he won't change his opinion much.

    0

    Arod? Lmao stay revelant

    1

    "One thing these young blood need to understand is...
    this game has been...
    and always will be...
    about buckets."
    -Bill Russel

    (the man who made few buckets to call his own.)

    1

    why no dpoy bill russell

    0

    There was no dpoy award when he played.

    1

    People shouldn't put so much emphasis on how many rings one individual has to say that they're better. If your going to argue who had the better team? Then yeah rings are more important but the list of amazing players who haven't won rings is staggering, A.I. Barkley, ELGIN BAYLOR, Stockton and Malone. Im not saying rings mean nothing individually but NO player wins rings alone they all have teammates around them. Allen Iverson for example took a trash team to the finals. besides an aging Mutumbo you probably can't name a lot of players on that 6ers team. that is more impresive to me than Russells 11 rings with a stacked team when there was no salary cap.

    1

    Someone who gets it! People forget basketball is a TEAM sport, you can't really knock a single player for not carrying a 5-man lineup on his own.

    1

    @tupac someone's messing with the prices.

    1

    Alright, men. I'm going to give you some food for thought. Showing my opinion as a Celtics super fan, both sides of the Curious Case of Where the Fuck Does Bill Russell's Offense Stand. Please don't roast or get over because I'm just showing my opinion based on facts. Bill Russell did have favorable career numbers, never averaging below double digits until 1969, where he still averaged 9.9. Now thinking, yes, a 44.0% FG% is very low for a center. Now remind yourselves, Bill Russell played against Wilt Chamberlain, Dolph Schayes, Bob Pettit, Clyde Lovellette, Wilt Chamberlain, Rudy LaRusso, Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Jerry Lucas, and other big men in a time where defense was the big focus, it's hard to hold your own against those players. any player now would've been held to below 50% against them. Also, which can either be a pro or con, there were 8 teams in the league. So constantly playing these people was so difficult to do and it should be recognized how tough these teams still were back then. Also, the Boston Celtics in 1960 (this card's year) had the number 1 points per game in the league (124.5) in the team centered around Russell and the 5th offensive rating while maintaining 5th in opposing ppg and 1st defensive rating and 1st in pace. The team had a 7.62 SRS, which basically says that they were way above average in scoring against one of the toughest schedules in history. Russell has the number 1 best win shares stats in NBA history, showing he was the centerpiece of the Celtics' success. If you look at the average FG% of players back then, you'll see the Bill Russell was actually amongst the highest, 6th in the league (.467) beating out even Wilt, whom averaged 37.6 ppg while shooting .461. It's all based on perspective of the game. you have to be eye level, fellas. Use this information as you can, I'm just a fan of the game so please take a look and share your thoughts, thank you!

    0

    Wilt and Kareem were better then Bill while Hakeem and Shaq were about the same as him. Hes over rated, sure, but he isn't as over rated as some people are making him out to be.

    -1

    Russell isn't overrated since most people today don't know anything about players from before the 2000's and MJ, but he sure as hell doesn't deserve many of these offensive stats

    0

    His defense is right, but his offense is disgracefully high

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    0

    It should be in the 70's, maybe 80 close shot and 75 post hook. He might have not been a good offensive player, but he still averaged around 15 PPG, so it shouldn't be in the 30's and 40's which everyone here seems to want. Many silvers that average way less than 10 PPG even have better stats than want people seem to want here for Russell, which is ridiculous.

    0

    Yeah mid 70s is perfect for him

    I think its because he played at the same time as 'Goat Goatberlain'

    0

    Russell should be like a 92-93 IMO, lower almost all of those offensive stats that are over 80 by 20 and you've got a pretty accurate card.

    0

    Klays favorite player

    0

    Well I do find it hilarious that someone not named "Michael Jordan" can be as overrated as Michael Jordan himself. Heck Russell's probably even more overrated than MJ (he's that overrated).

    0

    according to 2kmtcentral he's the best center of all time.

    4

    *2K
    But yeah, this is BS...

    0

    Are these gonna be the locker codes this year?

    0

    Looking like a beast card!

    0
    0

    RATE MY LINEUP!!!

    0

    Bill russell is extremely overrated. He won 11 championships with a league that has EIGHT teams. And those teams didn't have shit except for Wilt. He wasn't a scorer... AT ALL. He's a perfect defender but nowhere near 3rd highest rating. IMO He should be a 90 or 91 overall.

    0

    Does anyone know how to get any of the cards in this collection aside from Scal?

    0

    I'd make his standing mid-range about 54 and his inside scoring somewhere in the 80's but overall this is pretty good.

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    Rated better than Kareem, Hakeem, and Bird. Clap...Clap... you fucked up again 2k

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    What is this even good for except for defense and rebs? I honestly would take the '93 Hakeem over him any day

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    they better drop this card

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    I know Amethyst that would kill this card. Although this card looks good, only thing it can do is really rebound and the scoring may look great, but he's only 6'10 at Center. Try him at PF but he won't be worth the coin he'll be going for.

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    How do you get him?

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    black market like Bird I guess

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    I don't see the problem with this card. I get he wasn't great on offense but who cares. Would you want to use someone who is considered one of the goats and him be trash on offense? Just be happy that it's a good usable card that will be worth the price.

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    why so underrated????
    it's bill russell the man with the most championships

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    That's saying that players like luke Walton, Sasha Vujacic, Brian Scalabrine, etc. are better than the best players without a championship... A championship team cannot rely on one person...

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    yes but he is the person who showed the people that defence can win championships...cmon man show respect

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    He's also the man with the most best teammates...

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    UNDERRATED???

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    Bill Russel is the goat end of story.

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    i agree

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    only just read this but thanks for your input

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    anyone know what you get this for

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    You have to collect runes to get access to the black market. There you can buy the card for 750k. You can get basically the same card with all badges for around 140k, just go for the MVP card.

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    Thx but are there runes on Xbox one

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    I think so, but searching for runes is really annoying and the black market stuff is not worth the effort IMO.

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    WHAY THE FUCK 2K DID THIS CARD IF THE MVP CARD OF HIM IS THE SAME?

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    Why buy this card for 750,000 MT when you can buy the other 97 version for around 150,000.

    #2klogic

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    why is his moving three 33 not 25

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    lmao hes worth 100m

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    that price do

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    are they saying russell is faster than wilt? what 2k.

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    33 Moving shot
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/__s3l1V_4cw/hqdefault.jpg

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    92 inside scoring LMAO

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    That vert and driving dunk is cheddar
    But why is his contact dunk so low.

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    I live in a place called Cheddar...That`s some CHEESE!!!

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    Him and Jerry West are the most overrated players of all time. I mean seriously, how is he better than Kareem?

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    Even though everyone is saying he's overrated, he won 5 MVP's (Wilt 4) and 11 CHAMPIONSHIPS! (Kareem 6, MJ 6, Wilt 2, Shaq 4 etc.) He was also one of the greatest team players to ever play the game.

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    0 times leading the league in W/S, 0 times leading the league in PER, 0 times leading his own team in scoring, 2 times leading the league in anything, won 5 MVP's but only had 3 1st team all NBA selections, not even those were deserved. Stats prove Russell wasn't valuable at all, his team improved by 10 wins when he joined, along with HOFers Sam Jones, KC Jones and Tom Heinsohn... His team were already the second best team in the league before he joined with the MVP. He is extremely overrated

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    He somehow got an MVP the year Wilt averaged 50 ppg. Lmaoo he got 3 of his MVPs while being on the All NBA Second Team.

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    True. That year Wilt or Oscar should have one it.

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    Wilt was a better individual player, and he could put up better numbers. He also would have beaten Bill in one on one. But the good thing about Bill, is that he was a better team player and his rings showed it. But I'm not going to disagree, Wilt was a better individual player.

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    He had 6 hall f famers on his team. Of course he's gonna win

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    lebron also have 4
    mvp's

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    Lebron cant put championship rings on all of his fingers lol

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    Don't be an ignorant ring counter. More rings don't nashe someone better. Robert Horry is NOT better than Jordan or Kobe.

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    I'm pointing out that if we're judging greatness by awards, the 60's Celtics have no competition. Don't tell me Lebron is the goat because he has 4 mvps

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    I look at stats

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    As do I, but like I said, if we're judging greatness by awards won the 60's Celtics have no competition.

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    This card should actually be about a 88 overall at highest

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    Ok even I think that's too low but if Bob Mcadoo gets an 88 then Russell should too. But both should be around 91-92 range IMO

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    NVM Mcadoo's a 94