'96 Michael Jordan
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General information
Theme
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ReleaseHeight
6'6" (198cm)Weight
195lbs (88kg)Age
33From
North CarolinaPlays
Isolation Cutter Post Up High
99 Overall
95 Outside scoring
- 98 Standing shot mid
- 98 Moving shot mid
- 93 Standing shot 3pt
- 90 Moving shot 3pt
- 98 Shot IQ
- 89 Free throw
- 98 Offensive consistency
95 Inside scoring
- 98 Standing shot close
- 98 Moving shot close
- 98 Standing layup
- 98 Driving layup
- 70 Standing dunk
- 95 Driving dunk
- 70 Contact dunk
- 92 Draw foul
- 98 Post control
- 40 Post hook
- 97 Post fadeaway
- 98 Hands
94 Athleticism
- 94 Speed
- 94 Acceleration
- 96 Vertical
- 71 Strength
- 99 Stamina
- 98 Hustle
- 98 Overall durability
88 Playmaking
- 93 Ball control
- 92 Passing accuracy
- 80 Passing vision
- 97 Passing IQ
99 Defending
- 99 On-ball defense IQ
- 79 Low post defense IQ
- 99 Help defense IQ
- 99 Pick & roll defense IQ
- 98 Lateral quickness
- 99 Pass perception
- 97 Reaction time
- 92 Steal
- 50 Block
- 98 Shot contest
- 98 Defensive consistency
74 Rebounding
- 68 Offensive rebound
- 75 Defensive rebound
- 82 Boxout
- 3961 Total attributesattr.
| Updates | OVR | POS | INS | OUT | PLY | ATH | DEF | REB |
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99 | SG SF | 95 | 95 | 88 | 94 | 99 | 74 |
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99 | SG SF | 94 | 93 | 83 | 89 | 98 | 62 |
Outside Scoring
Unfazed
Can maintain his hot streak throughout timeouts and breaks better than most.
Deadeye
Can knock down contested shots better than most.
Fade Ace
Excels at making fadeaway jumpers.
Shot Creator
Known for making tough shots off the dribble after creating space to shoot.Inside Scoring
Spin Lay-In
Excels at making spin layups.
Hop-Stepper
Makes hop-step layups at a higher % than others.
King Of Euros
Shines in his ability to make euro step layups.
Acrobat
Can change his shot in air and attempt difficult shots with few consequences.
Tear Dropper
Excels at making floaters and runners
Hustle Points
Adept at making shots immediately following offensive rebounds near the basket.
Bank Is Open
Excels at banking in jumpers.
Relentless Finisher
A player who can take physical punishment on contact shots near the rim without severely impacting his energy.
Post Hoperator
Excels at making hop-shots out of the post.
Post Stepback Pro
Shines in his ability to use the post stepback move to score in the post.Playmaking
Killer Crossover
Can cause his defender to stumble or fall with crossovers.
Spin Kingpin
Can cause his defender to get shock with his spin moves.
Stepback Freeze
Adept at freezing his defender with stepback moves.
Behind The Back Pro
Can catch his defender off guard with behind the back moves
Hesitation Stunner
Uses hesitation moves to freeze his defender on the way to the basket.
Master of In and Out
A ball-handler known for breaking his defender down with in and out moves.
Pet Move Size-up
A ball-handler who uses elite size-up moves to break his defender down.
Flashy Passer
Known for throwing accurate flashy passes.
Break Starter
Starts fastbreaks with accurate outlet passes.
Pick & Roll Maestro
Throws accurate passes and knocks down shots off the screen at a high percentage.
Lob City Passer
Completes alley oop passes at a high rate.Athleticism
Lob City Finisher
Catches and finished alley-oops at a higher rate than others.
Posterizer
Will succeed at dunking on opposing defenders more often than others.
One Man Fast Break
Excels at taking the ball coast to coast on a fastbreak.
Transition Finisher
Adept at running the fastbreak and finishing at a high rate.Defending
Perimeter Lockdown Defender
While playing on-ball defense, this badge drops Outside Shooting and Playmaking badges and offensive attributes of his match-up.
Pick Dodger
Doesn’t get caught up on screens very easily.
Interceptor
More adept at stealing passes than others
Pick Pocket
Known for his ability to strip the ball from a ball-handler.
Chasedown Artist
Chases players down on fast breaks and effectively swats their shots from behind.Rebounding
Scrapper
A hustle player who wins loose ball battles.Personality
Alpha Dog
Steps his game up when his teammates are performing poorly.
Road Dog
Elevates his play when playing in road games.
Prime Time
Elevates his play in games of great significance.
Cool and Collected
A player who never goes on cold streaks.
Volume Shooter
A high volume of shots can heat him up but a lack of shots can make him cold.
Closer
Steps his game up in the 4th quarter and overtime when the game is close
Fierce Competition
Elevates his game when being outplayed or instigated.
Spark Plug
Comes off the bench or out of timeouts making big plays that can energise his team.
Heart and Soul
Rallies team when things are getting out of hand. Helps team stay focused.
Hardened
A tough player that will play through fatigue and inury without experiencing a sever drop in skill.
Expressive
Has no problem expressing his feelingsDunks
- 75 Standing dunk
- 99 Driving dunk
- 99 Flashy dunk
- 75 Alley-oop
- 75 Putback dunk
- 29 Crash
Layups
- 75 Standing layup
- 99 Driving layup
- 92 Spin layup
- 98 Hop step layup
- 97 Euro step layup
- 97 Floater
Jump shooting
- 99 Step through shot
- 30 Shot under basket
- 90 Shot close
- 4 Shot close left
- 4 Shot close middle
- 5 Shot close right
- 64 Shot mid
- 20 Shot 3pt
- 64 Contested jumper
- 42 Stepback jumper
- 55 Spin jumper
- 50 Transition pull up 3pt
- 33 Use glass
Drive setup
- 69 Triple threat pump fake
- 93 Triple threat jab step
- 7 Triple threat idle
- 99 Triple threat shoot
- 96 Setup with sizeup
- 71 Setup with hesitation
- 2 No setup dribble
Driving
- 99 Drive
- 60 Drive right
- 63 Driving crossover
- 58 Driving spin
- 50 Driving step back
- 10 Driving half spin
- 30 Driving double crossover
- 45 Driving behind the back
- 35 Driving dribble hesitation
- 70 Driving in and out
- 90 No driving dribble move
- 88 Attack strong on drive
Freelance
- 99 Shoot
- 99 Touches
- 33 Roll vs. pop
Post game
- 50 Post up
- 60 Post shimmy shot
- 60 Post face up
- 60 Post back down
- 50 Post aggressive backdown
- 99 Shoot from post
- 50 Post hook left
- 50 Post hook right
- 50 Post fade left
- 50 Post fade right
- 25 Post up and under
- 25 Post hop shot
- 25 Post step back shot
- 50 Post drive
- 50 Post spin
- 20 Post drop step
- 23 Post hop step
Passing
- 70 Dish to open man
- 36 Flashy pass
- 27 Alley oop pass
Defense
- 98 Pass interception
- 6 Take charge
- 98 On-ball steal
- 40 Contest shot
- 40 Block shot
- 45 Foul
- 17 Hard foul
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People can complain about the unrealistic stats all they want. If I get 2700 cards I want the equivalent of Shaq shooting free throws and mids. I wouldn't want a Jordan with a 75 3pt rating for collecting 2700 cards...
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He's so good people call him the Black Scalabrine
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MJ's overrated. No way he compares to Scalabrine
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nah bruh you cookies he is da G.O.A.T
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I definitely agree, the 3 best NBA players are MJ, Kobe, and Magic Johnson. And I know for sure that Brian Scalabrine isn't in the top 100.
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You mean Ledo, Kerkins and Caboclo, right?
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Who is KD?
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Kevin who?
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Dur-who?
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Seriously who is Kevin Durant
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yeno what I mean I have never heard of a Kevin Durant?
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yeah, what a silly name
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maybe he is a basketballer in the europe division?
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ill Google him
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Ok tell me what you find I am genuinely extremely interested in finding out who he is
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Kevin Wayne Durant is an American professional basketball player for the Golden State Warriors of the National Basketball Association. Wikipedia
Height: 6′ 9″
Current team: Golden State Warriors (#35 / Small forward)
Yep. Never heard of him...
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Damn hes in the warriors? thought I would have heard of him then he must be a bench player or something
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Me as well
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Ok first of all, no one was talking to you. Second, KD didn't get traded you fucking idiot. He got signed. And third, fix your grammer you dumbass cunt
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Oh yeah you are a master at roasting you 7 year old Timothy. Oh yeah cause it matters that you have better drafts than me. Oh yeah I'm replying. Fucking twat
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overrated?! 6 nba titles and 6 finals mvps, 5 mvps, 9 defensive teams, 10 scoring titles, hall-of-famer, 1 of 7 to win ncaa title, nba title, and olympic gold, etc. is nowhere close to a benchwarmer i guess.
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Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
No, it's my joke that flew right over your head...
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Scal just didnt get the play time...if he did, scal would be even more GOAT than he is
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Can't really tell if it's a joke over the Internet, especially from a hypebeast Warriors fan
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u kids are so dumb! he's not a dickrider u timmy
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Can you type in English please? No one understands you when you type with Curry's dick in your mouth
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Your fucking name is lebronnation. I don't want to hear shit about dicks being in mouths
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"LebronNation" *Sighs
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Would you rather it be "CurryNation"?
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I'd rather you didn't randomly accuse me of being a Curry bandwagon for no reason when clearly you're the only bandwagon here...
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There really can't be any jumping on a Cav's badnwagon since they were the underdogs here. You are sitting here doing the same thing accusing me of being a bandwagon just because I like Lebron lol
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Technically you are, you went from the Cavs to Heat and back to the Cavs. damn son
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You're actually dumb af
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Lol, we gonna be seeing a lot of those now
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Lol, I have had this name since before the finals.
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K? Earn yo stripes before you start chattin shit to guulys like Klayyyyy
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DIdn't know I had to prove anything on a website, especially to Warrior's fans/hypebeasts
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I'm a Blazer fan tho
Warrior's hypebeast's are rare, atm the Cavs are getting overhyped
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Well, they did win four straight games, and come back from a 3-1 losing streak against arguably one of the best teams ever with the first ever unanimous MVP. Also, there are quite a lot of bandwagons out there, trust me
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@Klayyyyyy please tell me you can see this kid saying why people bandwagon the Warriors all I am going to say is I am a bandwagon of the TWOLVES GO WOLVES BEST TEAM EVER doesn't mean I am blind to the fact both curry and lebrin can hold their own and they both play on amazing teams get over it you hairy lebrin fan and go back to the fire where you clearly belonged :P
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Now we're gonna start hating the Cavs fans and root for the Warriors. Except Draymond. I hate him
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Wow, not even a 99 layup.
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Looks like his crotch is censored by the sign
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ur telling me this guy is better than scal
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This is a joke.
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2k calls Jordan every morning to ask what he would like to add to the game.
Jordan has to revise everything that the developers add to the game, and if Jordan doesn't like it, he changes it.
Legend says, Ronnie2k sends a "Good morning boo" text to Jordan every morning because of his love for him.
Every day at the 2k HQ, all employees must say a prayer in the name of Michael Jordan, because he is their God.
If you mention Kobe Bryant's name at the HQ, you're fired.
That's a little taste of the biased company that made this game.
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It's funny, because Jordan never called himself the GOAT
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Actually he has multiple times. That's why I don't respect Jordan, he even calls himself the greatest ever.
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Is it on YouTube, article, or what?
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It wasn't kinda an interview, but he was asked like do you think LeBron is the greatest of all time, something like that, and Jordan said "He's good, but he's not me." I mean he's the best and all, but a little modesty maybe?
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2k calls Jordan every morning to ask what he would like to add to the game.
Jordan has to revise everything that the developers add to the game, and if Jordan doesn't like it, he changes it.
Legend says, Ronnie2k sends a "Good morning boo" text to Jordan every morning because of his love for him.
Every day at the 2k HQ, all employees must say a prayer in the name of Michael Jordan, because he is their God.
If you mention Kobe Bryant's name at the HQ, you're fired.
That's a little taste of the biased company that made this game.
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you're a joke
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i aint no joke
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I used to let the mic smoke
Now I slam it when I'm done and make sure it's broke
When I'm gone no one gets on cause I won't let
Nobody press up and mess up the scene I set
I like to stand in a crowd and watch the people wonder damn
But think about it then you'll understand
I'm just an addict addicted to music
Maybe it's a habit, I gotta use it
Even if it's jazz or the quiet storm
I hook a beat up convert it in a hip-hop form
Write a rhyme in graffitti in every show you see me in
Deep concentration cause I'm no comedian
Jokers are wild if you wanna be tame
I treat you like a child then you're gonna be named
Another enemy, not even a friend of me
Cause you'll get fried in the end if you pretend to be
Competing cause I just put your mind on pause
And I can beat you when you compare my rhyme wit yours
I wake you up and as I stare in your face you seem stun
Remember me, the one you got your idea from
But soon you start to suffer but you only get rougher
When you start to stutter that's when you had enough of
Biting it, I make you choke, you can't provoke
You can't cope, you should of broke cause I ain't no joke
I got a question, it's serious as cancer
Who can keep the average dancer
Hyper as a heart attack nobody smiling
Cause you're expressing the rhyme that I'm styling
This is what we all sit down to write
You can't make it so you take it home, break it and bite
Use pieces and bits of all the hip-hop hits
Get the style down pack then it's time to switch
Put my tape on pause and add some more to yours
Then you figure you're ready for the neighborhood chores
The e-m-c-e-e don't even try to be
When you come up to speak, don't even lie to me
You like to exaggerate, dream and imaginate
Then change the rhyme around, that can aggravate me
So when you see me come up, freeze
Or you'll be one of those 7 mc's
They think that I'm a new jack but only if they knew that
They who think wrong are they who can't do that
Style that I'm doing, they might ruin
Patterns of paragraphs based on you and
Your offbeat dj, if anything he play
Sound familiar, I'll wait til e say
Play 'em, so I'mma have to dis and broke
You could get a smack for this, I ain't no joke
I hold the microphone like a grudge
B'll hold the record so the needle don't budge
I hold a conversation cause when I invent
I nominated my dj the president
When I'm senile, people freestyle, going steadily
So pucker up and whistle my melody
But whatever you do, don't miss one
They'll be another rough rhyme after this one
Before you know it, you're following and fiendin'
Waiting for the punchline to get the meaning
Like before the middle of my story I'm telling
Nobody beats the r so stop yelling
Save it, put it in your pocket for later
Cause I'm moving the crowd and b a record fader
No interruptions and the mic is broke
When I'm gone, then you can joke
Cause everything is real on a serious tip
Keep playing and I get furious quick
And take you for a walk through hell
Feed your dome then watch your eyeballs swell
Guide you out of triple state darkness
When it get dark again then I'mma spark this
Microphone cause the heat is on, you see smoke
And I'm finish when the beat is gone, I'm no joke
- eric b and rakim
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Good god what a card. Lol good luck to anyone getting 2700 cards for him
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lol how? The game's been out a week
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What Mt glitch?
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Idk why people complain about his stats, he has to be quite OP to give players an incentive to collect cards. Let me collect 2700 cards to get a decent, halfass jordan lol
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True, but his regular 96 card has all the same ratings I think doesn't he?
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Maybe they'll update the regular 96 card if it comes out, the one in the hidden players, but the one in the regular roster is the same ratings though so idk.
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They jusy did :D
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*Sigh. 2K still haven't learned
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his 3pt should be way lower he wasnt THAT good of a 3pt shooter other wise this is pretty realistic he is the goat
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That was one of his best years in 3pt tho bruh
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'96 Jordan .427 3p% '14 Steph Curry .424 3p%
That was Jordan's best year shooting the 3. Bet no one was saying Stephs 3 was too high
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Jordan attempted way less shots than Curry or any other 89 rated 3 point shooter, as already mentioned the 3 point line was shortened and he never made 35% with the real line, only making 30% a few times.
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Actually he did shoot over 35% with the regular line. Once in 1990 shooting 37% on 245 attempts and again in 1993 shooting 35% on 230 attempts. The seasons Jordan attempted more threes he actually shot a higher percentage. Jordan wasn't a bad outside shooter it was just about the volume of shots he took. The seasons his 3PT% was at its lowest he attempted less than 100 threes for the season meaning most his threes could be chalked up to end of shot clock, end of quarter or desperation situations. Jordan being a bad three point shooter is a myth.
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That he was ever a good 3pt shooter is a bigger myth, unfortunately propagated by 2k. Jordan was a scorer like Kobe is and others are/were, and they can have an avg. 3pt% or even a crazy game (11 3s), but again they should not get high 3pt ratings. It is not as if people woulnd't respect Jordan even in this game, if he had a worse, more realistic 3pt stat, but actually aknowledge his greatness more. Once you gotta cheat you gonna hear it from the people who know. Jordan will always be overrated cuz everyone is profiting from his superidol image.
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I literally just explained in the comment above that Jordan wasn't a bad 3 point shooter. He wasn't elite, but he wasn't bad. This card is so high because its a fantasy card and deservedly so considering you'd want an overpowered reward for collecting literally every single card in the game.
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Let him be OP, but still be based on somewhat realistic stats. You see all these other users who know these stats are a representation of peoples' dream image of Jordan. It proves it perfect. His perception was so different from reality. Also some dude wrote in another article that he didn't need to get to the line that often to get his stats. He lived at the line and in that season got tons of bs touch fouls. He lived off of his image more than any other player ever! Can anyone deny that?
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....(continued) ... and I explained and other people with stats and other relevant information that he wasn't good either. He was a scorer like Kobe (who once drained 11 3s, but so did Donyell Marshall), Wade, Lebron, who could have an incredible night, but never were they consistent 3pt shooters.
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Wow, Bruh, you aren't getting that much hate this year, maybe people have wised up now!
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^Correction, just to make sure what I meant. I dont judge people for their Goat Opinion, you can have Jordan, Wilt, Kobe, Jabbar, or anyone else for your GOAT. I was just saying that because he got so much hate last year
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If that is your retort for that than your previous comment about how James Harden shoots a better TS% is bullshit. Harden attempts way less shots than Jordan, and he is a vastly worse defender.
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I meant that it makes his 3 point rating un legit and that it could be down to luck or easy shot selection (or a shortened 3 point line...), what i`m talking about has little to do with TS% as both Jordan and Harden shot easily enough shots for both of them to be legit, as well as the fact that Harden attempts way more 3`s and actually makes them consistently. My main argument was points responsible for and positive impact on the team if you`re talking about the long comment BTW.
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So you are saying that James Harden helps his team more than Jordan?
C'mon man, to me that just seems like bias. Jordan is overrated, but to say he helped his team less than Harden is just hate.
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What? That`s completely reasonable.
1983-84 Bulls: 27-55
Jordan joins with ROY campaign: 38-44
1985-86: 30-52 with injured Jordan
Jordan returns and averages 37 PPG: 40-42
1992-93 Bulls: 57-25
Jordan retires: 55-27
Seeing the pattern? Without Harden Houston was <.500, they lost guys such as Kevin Martin, Kyle Lowry and Luis Scola but finished 45-37 in Harden`s first season with the team despite him basically being the only above average player (based on PER, Chandler Parsons was marginally above average too, but they have since lost him as well), the next season they added Dwight Howard and finished 54-28 for a 9 game improvement, they then lost Howard for half of last season and improved by 2 wins due to Harden`s great year, again with only 1 other player above average, Josh Smith who was only 0.2 PER above average, as well as boasting a -0.1 offensive WS...
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Harden has more ISO plays than the entire Warriors team, has over 150 more than the player in second, Melo, who has less than 300 (Harden is coming up on 500), and as a result creates a terrible locker room atmosphere. His production is pretty good, but the Rockets would do better without him if they had a star SG like Butler or Klay instead. Not to mention Harden is on pace to set the all time NBA record for turnovers in a season and already has the record for most in a playoff game and 1 away from the record for a normal game. As usual, you refrain from mentioning the 72-10 when Jordan came back... Rodman isn't 17 wins more important than Horace Grant.
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I said that before the Rockets broke down, I stick with my idea that before this season Rockets harden was more valuable than Jordan.
Rodman probably wasn`t worth 17 wins over Grant, maybe 7-10 though, which leaves another 7-10 left for jordan which based off his previous seasons seems reasonable.
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This is why jordan wasn't a great 3pt shooter:
1. The 3pt line was shortend that season. He never shot a good % from 3 with the real line.
2. He attempted way less shots than other 89 rated 3pt shooters:
Michael Jordan - 42.7 3pt%, 260 3pts attempted
Kyrie Irving - 41.5 3pt%, 378 3pts attempted
JJ Redick - 43.7 3pt%, 456 3pts attempted
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Forgot that was the year they moved it in but to say his 3 is way to high is a stretch these cards are for that specific year they played not their overall reputation. I agree Jordan isn't known for his 3 pointers but he had a good year
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Everything's too high, EVERYTHING. If this was say 1989 then most of these ratings would be ok (still shouldn't be 99 overall) but this is 1996, he should be a 90 at best.
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I can respect your opinion that Wilt is the best ever and I actually agree with it, but to think MJ in 1996 is only deserving of a 90 overall is one of the most biased misinformed opinions I think I've ever heard. Are you going to tell me that:
James Harden
Steph Curry
Steve Nash
Anthony Davis
Vince Carter
Paul Pierce
and 09 Dwight Howard were all better players than MJ in 1996? Come on man I know you don't like MJ but wanting him at a 90 is just biased hate.
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Yes! Apart from Pierce, Curry and Carter who probably shouldn't be 90.
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Klay, you broke me. I think I had a brain aneurysm when I read this. I have written a rebuttal for all of your anti-Jordan comments
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lzf3_SlOh_6sxWtmY7HQaWXmcvACBk546HXFOx-ev9E/
This is all of the reasons why Jordan is the greatest of all time. Not arguably, but is. Stop with your contrarian opinions, because it's annoying
This is 48 pages long with over 22,000 words. Read it. All of it. If you still have doubts about Jordan's greatness after you read this, I think you might be the most daft and hard-headed person I have ever seen on the internet. And that's saying a lot. In fact if you still have doubts after you said you read it, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and think you're too lazy to read it. Have fun
This is for everyone else too, read this if you think Jordan isn't the GOAT.
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I will write a response to this once I get my IPad back as it is currently being repaired and as the laptop i`m using right now is slow as s***. The response will look at EVERYTHING to argue between them and wont be copying stats that a biased you-tuber uses, but will be all me (well I will obviously use the internet to find stats and stuff but I will write it all myself).
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I read yours and now I have a reason for why Jordan is overrated and why Wilt is the GOAThttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1utP3QQwUpFX0GVCr9Hbwbei1Ew1a6KaBAz3za8a2bQk/edit?usp=docslist_api
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No you didn't read mine. Many of your points have been addressed in mine. The flagrant foul rule was already implemented before Jordan got into the league. You bring up Dennis Johnson and call him a cupcake player yet he was a finals MVP and is usually recognized as one of the best defenders of all time and many times is recognized as a top 5 most underrated player of all time. You call Joe Dumars the 4th best player on the Pistons despite his hall of resume. You completely disregard pace, and how in today's MVP and previous versions there is usually 40-48 rebounding chances. You disregard how many players averaged high rebounding totals during this time. You bring up Jordan's attempts against the Pistons while it is mentioned how Jordan played against the Pistons (Hint: Very good) and completely locked up Isiah Thomas. You say how Jordan had better teammates yet ON THE FIRST PAGE there is a graphic of how he had so few all-star teammates. You act as if athleticism is this end all be all feat, yet Jordan had the highest vertical ever recorded in NBA history at 48, and I don't know where this 55+ inch vertical was ever recorded. If you could give me a legitimate source on this that would be great. The 550 bench press is more than likely just as much as an urban legend as him having sex with 10,000 women and not having a single kid, at least according to himself. Even stranger considering he does have a kid. Not only that, but only the most dedicated of lifters can lift 500 let alone a dude who was playing basketball every night. Besides this is NOT track and field, or Mr. Olympia, it's basketball. Athletic freaks do not get by in today's NBA on athleticism alone. Where is Tyrus Thomas? James White? Sonny Weems? In the D-League or barely holding onto a roster position. You bring up baseball and volleyball. In what world do these sports have anything to do with basketball? "Joe Gibbs is the greatest coach of all time because not only was he successful with the Redskins, he has one of the best NASCAR teams." Seem like a ridiculous argument? That's because it is. Wilt lead the league in total assists, not APG and that was through well known stat padding, only passing to people who would catch and shoot and during this time period he would avoid passing it to Chet Walker (one of his 3 HoF teammates) because he wouldn't get an assist from him.
You bring up his Wizard years where they were ON PACE to reach FIFTY wins with Jordan before his knee injury which I have told you was in my document. You bring up how they bring in players Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant who played 20 MPG and that somehow makes the Bulls a 50 win team, not because of Jordan's play, or the lack of cocaine users on his team, but because of two players, NEITHER OF WHOM, made the All-NBA Rookie team, who has the likes of Kenny Smith, Mark Jackson, Greg Anderson, Armen Gilliam, and Derrick McKey. No, Jordan couldn't get past the Pistons, with Scottie Pippen shitting the bed. Wilt Chamberlain couldn't get past the Celtics for almost HIS ENTIRE CAREER. ONE AND SEVEN AGAINST BILL RUSSELL'S CELTICS. You say the Bulls do worse when Jordan returns the second time, yet they faced the Magic, in the 2nd round taking them to game 6, when the Magic was not missing a key part of their starting lineup LIKE THE PREVIOUS YEAR, when Derek Harper was out for games 5 and 6. Not to mention that the Bulls were 34-31 without Jordan, yet mysteriously went 13-4 when he returned.
You bring Wilt's awards while Jordan matches them and exceeds them. You bring up records while Jordan holds more playoff records than Wilt, Russell, LeBron, Kobe, and Kareem COMBINED.
Don't even bring up scoring, when Jordan OUTSCORED him for his entire career, DESPITE playing 6000 less minutes.
Jordan averaged .404 points per possession, while Wilt averaged .259 over their careers.
You bring up defense while Wilt anchored the WORST team in the league when it came to defending teams in 61/62.
Don't even try to diminish Jordan's defense, he is arguably the greatest perimeter defender of all time. Here's your examples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xj3a03E-IY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K2rBgOqGCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvQfjsCuvX0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAtNOjco8yQ
There's plenty more if you want, just ask.
Now just for a kicker? Here is an article showing how the NBA would look the past 30 years if teams went at the breakneck pace of the 61-62 season
http://analyticsgame.com/nba/super-pace-an-nba-what-if.html
You're an idiot, for the love of god, please never attempt to talk to me again.
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https://youtu.be/tA6J2JinUVo https://youtu.be/uuLz0mWiCKA https://youtu.be/WEHyAOPSwBM
https://youtu.be/o1fGXPKF5sU
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You once again didn't read my document, where many of these were addressed
I have gone through and picked apart your arguments 3 times. Maybe 4 hours of my life has gone into writing elaborate arguments you will never read because your head is up your ass. I could do this once again, but you wouldn't read it like you haven't before.
I'm never speaking to you again, you are either the greatest troll I've ever seen, or the biggest retard I have ever had the displeasure of speaking to.
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Read this, and then you'll understand why Jordan is overrated and hyped up by the http://zoomtens.com/espn-has-lied-to-you-ten-reasons-michael-jordan-is-not-the-greatest-nba-player-of-all-time/
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Wow, it's not like all of those were addressed in the document. Just because you're lazy and refuse to read it, doesn't mean it is not true.
Couldn't get the Wizards to the playoffs? That's one of the first things addressed in the document you dimwit.
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"I am not saying that Michael Jordan is definitively not the greatest NBA player of all time, but there are several other players who could compete for that title."
"Bill Russell led his team to eleven championships" < You disagree with this.
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Red Auerbach did, it's like the Spurs, no one really leads because it's all about sharing the ball and stuff. Red was clever enough to realise, in an era where anyone was allowed to take just about any shot within half court without being told off, that his team didn't have a player who could carry them by taking all those bad shots, so he got them all involved in a way that was way before his time, way before triangle and swing motion etc. was invented. Russell was just another player in this system, on defense he was the leader, but not all around, that was the coach.
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Prime Nash averaged 18.6 PPG and 11.6 APG while shooting an insane, league leading 63% TS% in 35 MPG.
Jordan meanwhile averaged 30.4 PPG and 4.3 APG while shooting a 58% TS% (shortened 3 point line severely helped) in 38 MPG in 1996.
Harden averaged 27.4 PPG and 7.0 APG while shooting a 60.5% TS% in 37 MPG, even if his defense (which isn't even bad anymore) isn't as good as Jordan's his all around offensive output is so superior that it doesn't matter.
Davis isn't even debatable, defense isn't even an excuse with him and odds are he's gonna get better this season.
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Actually Jordan's defensive presence outweighs the offensive output from both players. MJ in 1996 was still the best two-way player in the league by a big margin. Harden's superior playmaking doesn't translate back to 2k attributes to have him higher than Jordan who was still an elite defender in all aspects and was absolutely money from the low post. Maybe not the same offensive output but a far superior offensive skillet. You can't just cite stats as reasoning for 2k ratings. Nash was a notoriously bad on ball defender and a non existent help defender, his defense was actually severely overrated this year.
The whole story isn't told by stats. Harden is a good player but you're out of your mind if you think he's comparable to MJ at any stage of his career besides the Wizards stint. I disn't think I'd need to even explain Davis. Great shot blocker but not as good of an all around defender. What Davis has over MJ in shot blocking, MJ has over Davis in steals. Davis' offensive skillset is vastly inferior.
Before you may be quick to call me a Jordan nuthugger, I actually don't like MJ, but I'm not going to start discrediting him as a player. 90 overall is ridiculous and thinking Nash was better than him in 1996 is honestly what seems to be the opunion of someome biased.
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Jordan has the 4th most all time points, highest career Player Efficiency Rating of all time, and has the most career points per game. If we're going by stats, which Klay is, the argument favors Jordan. He's also 3rd all time in steals. I'm a big Steve Nash fan, but he never was as good as Jordan. He was a better 3pt shooter and passer (free throw shooter as well), but Jordan was better at EVERYTHING else. Even though the whole story isn't told by stats as Flysenberg said, the stats favor Jordan.
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Not to mention that Jordan thrived in the Playoffs whereas Harden has now established a reputation for choking in the Playoffs in recent years. Harden isn't half the player MJ was.
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Also, Harden is the GOAT at turnovers... lol
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That's not an exaggeration btw, he is on pace to set the NBA record for turnovers in a season and he already has the record for turnovers in a playoff game
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I`m talking about 1996, prime Jordan beats those guys easily but 1996 Jordan doesn`t.
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There is literally no valid case you can make for that. Jordan's overall output is far superior to all of them.
- Harden is a good scorer, good passer, still a below average defender/Jordan was a better scorer, elite defender, was more athletic and had a low post game. You can't make any case for Harden over MJ. 10/10 GMs in the league today would take MJ from 1996 over a current Harden. I mean seriously what are you basing this off? Statistically the only advantage Harden has is in assists.
- Nash was a great outside shooter, great passer, piss poor defender/Jordan was just as good of a mid range shooter, FAR better defender, better rebounder, more athletic and once again vastly superior offensive skillset.
You're completely out of your mind if you think either of those guys were as good as MJ in 1996. Do you have some personal vendetta against MJ?
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Harden was a better scorer not just in PPG but in terms of efficiency as well, Harden shoots a higher TS% and doesn't have a shortened 3 point line to help, if you adjust MJ`s 3 point shooting to what it was before the line was shortened (to what it is today) he has around 5% lower TS%. Harden`s assist difference is comfortably more (4.3-7.0) and assumably more of his led to 3`s since the Rockets shot so many last season, if we use points responsible for or points + points worth of assists in other words (I`ll do it using 1 assist = 2 points, which would help Jordan for the already explained reason) Harden averages 2.4 more points responsible for per game than Jordan does, but again this would increase if adjusted for 3 point assists. Jordan re-joined the Bulls fully in 1996 and they won 27 more games than before, with HOFer Dennis Rodman joining the same season howether and since when Jordan left in 1993 the Bulls only lost 2 more games really that`s all you can judge it on, it seems a bit far fetched I`ll admit but I think it`s perfectly possible that Rodman added 20+ wins while Jordan added less than 10, based on the fact he never proved to be worth much over 10 wins before even when he was a much better player. When Harden joined the Rockets they win effectively 5 more games (lockout season makes this not 100%) but while losing guys like Kevin Martin and Kyle Lowry, that team was so weak that only Chandler Parsons finished with above average (15) PER among Hardens team mates (with 15.3), and with Harden they managed to comfortably be an above average team (45-37), compared to this season where of course he is even better they went 56-16 compared to 54-18 the year before, with Dwight Howard adding 9 wins onto that 45-37 team. Doesn't seem too amazing until you realise that they missed out on Howard half the season and several other players, in fact that team was so depleted that Donates Motiejunas played the third most minutes, almost 1000 behind Harden and Trevor Ariza (barley Scottie Pippen as a sidekick SF) who played 2900. Again apart from Howard in his rare games and Terrence Jones, who only played 33 games himself (even less than Howard) only 1 regular player finished with above 15 PER apart from Harden, a mid season trade acquisition, Josh Smith who also put up an insane -0.1 offensive WS ... So Harden took a team with basically no above average players to a 56-16 record and also basically made up for Dwight`s missed games, the thing that made it different from the season before. Jordan on the other hand had 2 team mates with above not only 15 but 20 PER (Pippen and Rodman) as well as Steve Kerr on an above average 15.2, how ether Kerr`s 6.0 offensive WS is "slightly" better than Smith`s (and shockingly his defensive WS was too)... For a Wilt fan I use a players effect on his team a lot in arguments, because it can surprise you how much effect some players really have.
Nash may seem like he didn`t contribute as much individually on offense if you use points responsible for he actually is slightly ahead of 1996 Jordan, in a few less MPG too so really he is about as far ahead as Harden. He also shot a brilliant 63% TS% which is about 5% higher than Jordan`s. While normally his efficiency would be the only argument points responsible for proves that this is defiantly not the case. In 2003-04 the Suns went a lowly 29-53 despite having talent such as Shawn Marion, Stoudemire, Joe Johnson and Leandro Barbosa as well as players such as Anfree Hardaway, Stephon Marbury and Antonio Mcdyess (and on a lesser extent Tom Gugliotta) who played 30-40 games each. When Nash joined the Suns they went 62-20 despite losing Hardaway, Marbury, Mcdyess and Gugliotta, if that isn`t impessive enough in 2006 they went 54-28, just as with Harden that doesn`t make 2006 Nash seem better than 2005 Nash, how ether as with Harden his all-star level big man was injured too, in this case for the whole season. Although they did add an in form Boris Diaw Nash carried the team to only 8 less wins than with Stoudeemire, when Stoudemire had come off of a season with a 26 PER, which was up by 6 from before Nash joined. You cant say he wasn`t clutch that year either as he led the Suns to 2 game 7 wins in the playoffs.
What i`m basically saying is that both of these players were all around better on offense and although their defense may not have been as good as Jordan`s they carried their teams far more and made a much bigger positive impact, and did it under difficult circumstances where they had to step up and lead.
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Also statistics are a shallow way of comparing players. I grew up watching Jordan and admired James Harden's efforts this year, but there's a vast, vast difference in their skill level just by looking at them. The eye test can go a long way too. The way Jordan absolutely hounded people on defense and managed to break away with a tipped pass in almost every passing lane doesn't show up on the stat sheet. This is why I keep stressing to you that Jordan's defensive presence is unmatched. He's one of the greatest on ball defenders in the history of the game and this stretched well into 1996. His decline on defense didn't begin until 1998 when he looked a little slower and even then his defense was still elite.
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>Harden was a better scorer not just in PPG but in terms of efficiency as well
Harden wasn't a better scorer in PPG though...He averaged 27ppg and Jordan averaged 30ppg.
As far as Harden's assist difference I don't feel that it puts it up ahead of MJ, because even though he may contribute more points on offense than MJ by distributing the ball more, he is also still a relatively below average defender meaning he would give up more points on the other end whereas MJ wouldn't. That's where that point of yours doesn't lean on Harden as much as you think.
Also, the shortened three point line boosting Jordan's 3P% is fair, but I've already explained to you that Jordan wasn't a bad outside shooter. Go through his totals per season and look at his attempts per season and then his percentages. Even on the standard regulation line, when Jordan shot a higher amount of threes he shot above the league average. His lowest percentage 3P% seasons he attempted less than 100 threes. Lets use the 1992 season specifically. He made 27/100 threes that season shooting 27%. Now let's assume for the sake of argument that 15 of those threes were end of quarter, end of shot clock situation attempts out of desperation which is pretty fair to assume due to the tiny sample size. He would have shot 27/75 on regular attempts which is 36% and above the league average. There's not a big enough sample size for those seasons to claim that MJ was a bad outside shooter as such a small number of shots across 82 games can skew the percentage drastically.
As far as the Bulls record after Rodman joined, that was an expansion season. All the greatest team records in NBA history happened during some point where the league brought in new teams. You can't attribute those extra wins to Rodman, as the Bulls had a super team in a point of league expansion. As far as the numbers go, that season Rodman has 6.2 win shares as compared to Jordan's 20.4 win shares. That kinda says enough doesn't it? Rodman also only played 64 games while MJ played all 82. Rodman being the bigger reason for that 72 win season is a complete myth and Jordan actually has more win shares from 1996 than Harden did last season meaning he contributed more wins to his team.
I didn't deny whatsoever that Nash was a better shooter than Jordan. Nash is arguably a top 3 shooter in NBA history. TS% isn't in any way some kind of definitive statistic to determine a player's value over another. Yes Nash contributed greatly to his team's record jumping drastically, thus why he won the MVP award, but once again doesn't mean he was better than Jordan. Do you think Curry was better than LeBron this season because he led a team to a better record?
The numbers prove that Jordan carried his teams more than both of them, especially Nash who has literally half the amount of win shares his MVP season compared to MJ in '96. You can bring up TS% and team records all you want but the definitive statistic determining who was a more valuable asset to their team is win shares, and Jordan blows them both out of the water because as I've tried to make clear to you many times, his defensive presence was far, far superior to any of the very small advantages they had over him on offense.
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Well technically that`s impossible. It would also be impossible to prove Jordan`s better than them without some form of stat. Everything you can use is at least slightly statistical
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I don't think anyone in this NBA can even try to compete with MJ. Not even LeFlop.
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BRO you know how to start a storm dont you xD but seriously MJ was great.. but from seeing what they have brought out since card wise MJ has just been flooded with other talent I just feel although MJ was a wrecking ball which he was people should not be hyping up as much as they should alot of ballers have amazing seasons and work really hard and they are lost in the flurry of other players and hate yet people like MJ and Kobe just didnt take crap and made people know what they are about that is the difference
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Are you in the US?
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? I meant the guy I replied to. Did it glitch and say I replied to you?
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uh huh anyway i am a HUGE FAN of yours. I cant belive the courage and patience you have to say all these true comments on MJ and Wilt. But i have a question. Where would you rank KING JAMES on a top players of all time. I have him at no 3 behind MJ and Wilt the Stilt. Thanks.
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No. 7 ATM, but that's because I don't want to put him too high, too early. He's on course for no. 2-4.
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what is your top 10 greatest players of all time
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4. Kareem
5. Baylor
6. Big O
7. Lebron
8. Hakeem
9. Bird
10. Kobe
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You're my favorite user on this site. I agree with almost all of your comments. But what makes Baylor better then Lebron? I also don't think that Wilt is better then MJ. BTW congrats on getting MOD!
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Lebrons career still has 5-10 years to go, I don't want to put him too high too early. He's on course for 2-4 in the list.
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Wanna explain cuz that's one of the craziest top 10s 'ive ever seen
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? Everyone but Baylor are generally considered top 10-15
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I think its more the order.
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yeah like why Wilt no.1 over Jordan. The guy played in one of the weakest eras of basketball and got dominated by the Celtics nearly every single playoff run. The guy was more of a stat sheet stuffer imo who played for stats instead of wins. I know you're a Wilt fan so no disrespect but no.1 is way too high in my opinion. Id also put Kobe over LeBron since Kobe's the greater champion and has delivered more during the playoffs and doesnt crumble under the pressure like Bron. He has the killer instinct Jordan has and has 5 rings over LeBrons 2.
I also like how u didn't put Bill Russell in your top 10 but you put your favorite player Wilt in there :)
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As much as i love your comments, 90 OVR is WAY to low, I would have went with maybe 95 to be more realistic.
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Sigh, you still havent learned.
Let me school you on how and why some stats differ from season to season.
You will quote some stat but dont take into consideration rule changes. Defense rules changed from 1996-2000. Starting with no hands allowed on defense followed by no forearms in 2000 season This completed changed the game and made most stats uncomparable pre and post.
No one talks about that.
If Jordan wanted to shoot 3's he would but he didnt need too. His pct are skewed because he always took the last shot end of shot clock and quarters. Every season he needed to shoot 3 s(the ones he shot over 200) are above 35%.
In 1989-90, teams said go head Jordan beat us from the outside. He went on to shoot over 245 and hit at 37% clip. Which was very good during the late 80's grabbing defense. Once 90s hit, the Bulls were the most dominate team in the NBA and 3s were not needed by him. He didnt attempt more than 1.2 a game until he turned 29.
Some say around the 30 year old mark is when your athletic abilities start to decline. Which would result in settling for more jumpers and less driving to the hoop. A 29 year old Jordan took 2.9 3s a game most since that 89-90 season and back upto 35%. From the ages 29-33 (missing a season to play baseball) Jordan would shoot the most 3s during any run of his career and go 319 for 819. A 39% clip.
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I`m talking about the whole card though, not just his 3 ball...
Ok he may not have been terrible at 3`s, but 89? Surely even you have to admit he deserves 80 at most. 37% still isn`t nearly as good as guys with a similar 3pt rating (JJ Redick, Eric Gordon).
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I get what you are doing for the site. The more BS you say about the greats the more people come back to the site to argue.
Smart man.
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if you truly believe jordan deserves a 89 three for ANY year, just delete your account fam. thats saying andre miller deserves a 99 block
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If Jordan wanted to shoot 3's he would but he didnt need too. His pct are skewed because he always took the last shot end of shot clock and quarters. Every season he needed to shoot 3 s(the ones he shot over 200) are above 35%.
In 1989-90, teams said go head Jordan beat us from the outside. He went on to shoot over 245 and hit at 37% clip. Which was very good during the late 80's grabbing defense. Once 90s hit, the Bulls were the most dominate team in the NBA and 3s were not needed by him. He didnt attempt more than 1.2 a game until he turned 29.
Some say around the 30 year old mark is when your athletic abilities start to decline. Which would result in settling for more jumpers and less driving to the hoop. A 29 year old Jordan took 2.9 3s a game most since that 89-90 season and back upto 35%. From the ages 29-33 (missing a season to play baseball) Jordan would shoot the most 3s during any run of his career and go 319 for 819. A 39% clip.
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This isnt even Michaels best season, just cuz the bulls won 72 games doesnt mean this one should be the 99 overall. They should have picked an early 90s or late 80s one tbh. not sure which one tho, havent checked his stats in a while.
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What, Jordan should have a 99 3ball? Just give him a +9 shoe, you cheap morons.
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@tupac i kinda have a suggestion for this site : you should put like a random page button where u click on it and it sends u to a player, collection etc. idk something i just thought about
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People forget we are talking about the GOAT.
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He definitely doesn't deserve the 95 driving dunk with a 60 contact dunk that year. He dunked on people way more earlier in his career but has lower contact dunk ratings. I don't know if there's anyone else who has that high of a contact dunk. But like someone else said for 2700 cards I want an MJ that does everything amazingly. I wanna put a diamond +9 speed shoe or a diamond 3 pt shoe on him once I get him and he'll be insane.
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i wonder who's going to get the 99 mid
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besides him, fam
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maybe jason kapono or javale mcgee?
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is jordan the only 99 overall
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He need a buff in post hook because he is actually good in post hook against other players. Make his stats have at least couple 99 because he is a far better player than stephen curry. He is why everyone want to be like Mike.
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Who is almost close to getting this... I have 2374 cards
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Do you get someones overall by doing sort of like an average of all their stats or can someone be like 78 ovr but have a bunch of good stats?
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It took until May 12, but the first Youtuber has finally gotten this Rewards Jordan!!
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Yeah @Klayyyyyy I agree. He was pretty good though. You would think the GOAT would win MVP more than 5 times in 15 seasons. People probably think he is GOAT because our parents and stuff remember his time.
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Could anyone give me some lineup tips?
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/419813/i-need-lineup-help
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How is anyone going to score on him let alone get by him
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This MJ is better than Sapphire Dr. J on 2k15...both were obtained by completing collections. But this is ridiculous. The hell is this? No quick fingers involved, but better than a PD from Nba2k15.
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I might be wrong, but I think you need every card in the game to get him.
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This site is a hate site for the GOATs, he revolutionized the game, he invented the moves we see today and just because of that they call him overrated...morons
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dude you still stalking me?... and I wrote this when I didn't know people like you on this site don't watch basketball.
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@Klayyyyyy I want to discuss why you think Jordan is overrated I really do because I completely disagree... Really not because I want to prove he's the gratest I also want to know about why Wilt is being better than Jordan for you. I am not the kind of people who say Jordan is the best because of media hype and I don't listen to anyone if I'm not clear about it and if I don't believe it. So I bring everything before talking about a player. So bring it on, why is Wilt bettter than MJ for you?
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Their value to their respective team is enough alone.
Whenever Jordan joined or left the Bulls there was never more than a 10 game difference (apart from 1998 when Pippen and Rodman left too). When Wilt joined the Warriors they won 17 more games, when he left they won 32 less games!
I wouldn't take Jordan over Pippen or Rodman if I had a choice, I rank Jordan higher than them, but they were both more valuable to the Bulls than he was.
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A guy that speaks from stats <3
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I don't know how far your experience of the NBA extends but what is your view of Karl Anthony Towns I am quite the Timberwolves fan but I feel in his one season he has already outgrown us?
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In what way? As in you think he will want to move?
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Well I think he will be a big player in the NBA in the next few years do you feel that he will stay with TW or where do you reckon he will be? and if so what do you feel the progression of his general overall would be?
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With all the young talent you guys have I reckon he'll stay, I doubt he'll become a great scorer because Wiggins is being groomed for that, but overall he will probably be the best player on what might become a title contender.
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other than curry who would you say is dominating the current roster? (dont know your view on curry but as far as I dislike the hype it is starting to be the norm)
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In the whole league? I don't mind Curry BTW, find my thread about the "hater bandwagon" for more info.
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yeah in the whole league I mean I personally really like curry but the thing that puts me off him is that they cant accurately represent him as an in game player.. but he is amazing to watch play makes me want to get back into basketball but in the UK its dead.. xD
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Yeah I'm in the UK too and it's difficult to get into the NBA when all the games are at 2 in the morning...
The 3 players I'd build a team around right now are Curry, Lebron and KD. Guys like Westbrook, Harden and Cousins are great individually but aren't team players. For the future I'd take AD and KAT, no one else sticks out as a future MVP candidate yet.
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Wow, thanks 2k. I'm so glad you chose to update this card!....instead of cards people actually have
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I wanna know all y'all know so much about these players that played so long ago and who all is better than who. I mean a lot of them finished their career probably a decade before some of you were prob born. How r u deciding who is better? Looking at stats, watching highlights, hearing what others have said? If you've never actually watched the players games, how can u even judge how good they actually were?
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1. Watching a player is innacurate as opinion of how good they are based off of it can vary, some people might think a player hitting a crazy contested shot is a great play, I'll probably just call it bad shot selection.
2. A player might look like they are playing great, but really they could be costing their team.
3. You can't compare Jordan to older players like Wilt if you've only seen Jordan play.
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Ratings are way too juiced up. He was not a better athlete here than in the other, younger versions. His playmaking should not be that high. (A 97 pass IQ? Really?) That three is too high. Yes, he shot like 43% but that's pretty common. And he does not boxout very often. Yes, I do agree that he is one of, if not, the greatest of all time, but you have to stick to more realistic attributes. well, i guess if you collect 2700 cards, it's pretty fitting.
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If you compare this card to his other 99 card, you can tell this could would be a 100 if that was possible!
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http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/120501/need-advice-for-rttp-seed-1
just got to seed 1 in rttp, need help?
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Rate my lineup? http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/123394/richmond-rampagers
Pls
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Michael Jordan was one of the legends of basketball and he tried his best every game and never gave up. He also made mistakes but he achieved his goals.
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Can you guys give me feedback on what to do with my lineup? Thanks
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/149940/my-lineup
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plz rate my new lineup http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/95959/my-current-lineup
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http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/162915/omaha-akatsuki
Help rate my lineup? Pls?
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as much as jordan is cool and all theyre are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many jordan cards in this game
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only 6 of them are real. The rest are hidden fake players
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hidden for now it just means they havent released them yet
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I don't think so. None of those hidden fake players have been released yet, for all players. I don't think any are getting released
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Great, another card that only pack opening youtubers or people who spend money on the game can get
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I'm kinda new to the site and I would like to know if there's a way to view the total number of cards available in-game? I'm going hard for this card and I would like to know if it's possible to get him now. Thanks in advance. :)
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i have a suggestion: you guys should add more packs, like the mvp packs and the moments packs. plz 2k central.
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http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/242717/my-team#comment-159017 is a link to my lineup. PLease take a look and tell me who I should get.
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Hey could you guys check out my Line up? http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/244043/my-actual-lineup
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It took until the first of May, but the first person has finally gotten this Diamond Michael Jordan!
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Why doesn't he have a price?
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@zemGOAT do u want upvotes or downvotes cause I'm upvoting everything but u said u wanted downvotes. So, what is it? BTW OKC currently up by 10 #thunderup
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What are the odds of getting this card? 98 MJ I've seen like 5 times in Draft Box. 99 Kobe is a piece of cake.
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Can Someone places help me with my lineup http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/352192/my-current-team
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Do not collect all those card's for this card
My Diamond T-mac is just as good
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CAN SOMEBODY HELP ME WITH MY LINEUP?
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/445387/my-nba2k16-line
AND IM NOT BUYING ANY MT AND ONLY 20K VC AND I USED THEM FOR ANTHONY DAVIS PACKS
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yo can somone buy my 94 d-wade cuz that shit aint selling its for 60250 and my 90 marc Gasol for for 20500 please i want packs
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Anyone interested in a dynamic Kyrie Irving on ps4? He had gold deadeye and shot creator, along with 17 other gold badges. I was thinking about selling him for around 32-35k. He dominates in the gauntlet btw. Message me at pless2 on ps4 if you're interested. Thanks, and GO CAVS!!!!!
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http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/511995/updated-lineup
can u rate my lineup please??
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Get rid of Cory Joseph for a big man, like 92 Deondre Jordan, you have to many guards and not enough big men
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So people Care about curry having an 87 defense but it goes completely unrecognized that Jordan has a 93 three?! MJ shot around 33% from three for his career. Curry leads the league in steals and his defense is statistically worth 1.3 more wins than Lebron's defense. If anything should change, it should be Lebron's defense compared to Curry's. Curry's defense should be better than lebron's. This shows how many fucking haters there are for Curry and GS. So many people think there are more GS dick riders than haters but it's really the opposite. And does it not occur to anyone that MJ gets's his dick ridden ALOT more than Curry. Even though MJ probably was better than Curry, They shouldn't dick ride MJ anymore than Curry. Especially since we will never know how good MJ would do right now or how good Curry would do back then. Appreciate greatness and when you make a review, Make it for how effective it is in-game. Not how the card shouldnt have been created. MJ was a horrible 3pt shooter but his 3 pointer is only 6 points less than the greatest Shooter of all time (Curry). That's real dick riding. Not giving an 87 defense to Curry.
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Check out my Lineup!!! Replace Jamal with James Harden? http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/548644/swishjoshs-lineup#comment-263300
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Why doesn't MJ with 6 rings get the championship DNA badge, neither does Magic, or even Bill Russell with 11 rings but Steph, Klay, Draymond, and Kawhi get it with only 1 championship? Kinda dumb.
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And why does that badge mean you can also see where double teams are coming from, like winning championships is all about seeing where double teams come from? I mean I guess that's cool, and important, but it kinda seems random, and like it should be a separate badge altogether. And I wish they would tell us more about what exactly these personality badges do in game. For some it explains it, others not so much. Some help a lot, but a few don't even really explain what they affect.
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@tupac slusaj vamo debilu jedan poserem ti se na custom cards copyright
ako mislis da me se mozes resiti ako me reportas ili banujes lose si procenio onda majmunicino jedna ona retardirana
banuj me picko
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PLEASE LOOK AT MY 2K LINEUP!!!!!!!
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/619499/my-nba2k16-lineup-is-it-good
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@tupac is there any way you can open packs from last year? i know you can create lineups from last year though.
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Have you ever wanted to prove you are the GOAT at drafts on this site? You can prove it here by joining this draft competition. More facts can be found by clicking the link.
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/859148/draft-competition#comment-336288
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The G.O.A.T Deserves respect even though no one will get him because the game is dead still he deserves respect 99 OVR everything
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Are you kidding me? They updated him and made him even more OP???
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ok i thought kobes 98 rated card was better but after this update this card is so much cheesier
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I mean, since it takes 2700 cards to get this card (in other words, hundreds of dollars worth of VC), I can understand why they made this card so juiced. But this card is just....
Curry-esque shooting from outside
Best defender in 2k
Extremely athletic
Can dunk like no other and draw contact
Post fade cheese
and solid rebounding for a guard.
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This is literally impossible to get. As of now, there are 2707 cards in the entire game. It takes 2700 to get MJ. That means that the cost of MJ is the sum of basically every single card in the game. Haven't done the math but that's gotta be close to 200 million mt. Screw 2k
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Rate my lineup? http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/190836/hustlin-every-day
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Please help me with my lineup. Much appreciated
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/306435/current-lineup
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Michael Jeffrey Jordan (born February 17, 1963), also known by his initials, MJ,[3] is an American retired professional basketball player. He is also a businessman, and principal owner and chairman of the Charlotte Hornets. Jordan played 15 seasons in the National Basketball Association (NBA) for the Chicago Bulls and Washington Wizards. His biography on the NBA website states: "By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time."[4] Jordan was one of the most effectively marketed athletes of his generation and was considered instrumental in popularizing the NBA around the world in the 1980s and 1990s.[5]
Jordan played three seasons for coach Dean Smith at the University of North Carolina. He was a member of the Tar Heels' national championship team in 1982. Jordan joined the NBA's Chicago Bulls in 1984 as the third overall draft pick. He quickly emerged as a league star, entertaining crowds with his prolific scoring. His leaping ability, demonstrated by performing slam dunks from the free throw line in slam dunk contests, earned him the nicknames "Air Jordan" and "His Airness". He also gained a reputation for being one of the best defensive players in basketball.[6] In 1991, he won his first NBA championship with the Bulls, and followed that achievement with titles in 1992 and 1993, securing a "three-peat". Although Jordan abruptly retired from basketball before the beginning of the 1993–94 NBA season to pursue a career in baseball, he returned to the Bulls in March 1995 and led them to three additional championships in 1996, 1997, and 1998, as well as a then-record 72 regular-season wins in the 1995–96 NBA season. Jordan retired for a second time in January 1999, but returned for two more NBA seasons from 2001 to 2003 as a member of the Wizards.
Jordan's individual accolades and accomplishments include five Most Valuable Player (MVP) Awards, ten All-NBA First Team designations, nine All-Defensive First Team honors, fourteen NBA All-Star Game appearances, three All-Star Game MVP Awards, ten scoring titles, three steals titles, six NBA Finals MVP Awards, and the 1988 NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award. Among his numerous accomplishments, Jordan holds the NBA records for highest career regular season scoring average (30.12 points per game) and highest career playoff scoring average (33.45 points per game). In 1999, he was named the greatest North American athlete of the 20th century by ESPN, and was second to Babe Ruth on the Associated Press's list of athletes of the century. Jordan is a two-time inductee into the Basketball Hall of Fame, having been enshrined in 2009 for his individual career, and again in 2010 as part of the group induction of the 1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team ("The Dream Team").
Jordan is also known for his product endorsements. He fueled the success of Nike's Air Jordan sneakers, which were introduced in 1985 and remain popular today.[7] Jordan also starred in the 1996 feature film Space Jam as himself. In 2006, he became part-owner and head of basketball operations for the then-Charlotte Bobcats, buying a controlling interest in 2010. In 2015, as a result of the increase in value of NBA franchises, Jordan became the first billionaire NBA player in history and the world's second-richest African-American.
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You saying the best 3pt specialist was Curry??? In the history of the NBA??? Come on man
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Who's better? Obviously he hasn't been around as long but he's already got the top 2 seasons in 3 pointers made at a higher percentage than anybody close to him.
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They're also almost all off the dribble which is much harder. Don't be ignorant.
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Seriously tho u gonna get a lot of hate for saying curry is the best 3pt shooter in the history of the game... Good luck
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Yeah I care what uneducated people think.
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I would say that Steve Kerr and Hubert Davis are the best 3pt specialists with the greatest percentages, but Curry is up there, top 5 at least
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Look at their shot selection vs Curry. They were spot up shooters who took wide open looks. Half of Curry's 3s are off the dribble with someone in his face.
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Take the shots Curry does. Plus he makes more at a higher percentage.
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The BEST 3pt specialist is not Curry, there is no way that he is. Steve Kerr was probably the best 3PT SPECIALIST to ever play the game.
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Like I said, Kerr took only open spot up jumpers. If that's all Steph Curry did, I'm sure he would make a higher percentage than he does now. Kerr would not be able to make the shots Curry does, yet Curry could make the shots Kerr used to make.
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Just looked on the link you gave me, and it says Curry shoots 48.6% on spot up 3 pointers. Again, at more per game than Kerr.
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Where did you get those stats?
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Also for playoff 3 point percentage, Curry is at 41% while Kerr is at 37% on again 1.8 attempts per game vs 9.9 per game for Curry.
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For their careers so far, Kerr only averaged taking 1.8 3's per game while Steph averages 6.5. Of course it's easier to make more 3's when you're only taking 2 per game because you can pick and choose the most wide open looks. Curry has to take more because he's the top scoring option on his team which Kerr would never have been able to do.
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actually curry is better than kerr but people always forget about who shoots nearly 50% on 3s kyle korver is the most accurate shooter
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That doesn't mean that Steph Curry isn't a god player, hell, he might be the best 3pt shooter off of the dribble but he isn't the G.O.A.T of all 3pt specialists, no matter what shots he takes
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Okay, he is the best all-around player that is a 3-Point Specialist. Do you really expect 2k to give Steve Kerr a 96 OVR?
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He honestly sucks. I was very disappointed when I got this card, he can't make
a 3 to save his life and he is as soft as a pillow in the paint. The most overrated player of all time
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Whats the fuss about this GOAT thing. NO one is GOAT. ONLY GOD IS. Geez guys. Michael Jordan gave in a big contribution to the NBA. Everyone did like Magic. Larry, Carl, etc. This is how the NBA is formed. Changes made by great players. I pretty sure this will get like 800 downvotes. Go ahead downvote this and just continue arguing with this crap. But honestly there is no goat.
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His 3rd season in the league he averaged 37 ppg. He has 5 MVPs and every time he went to the NBA finals not only did he never play a game 7 he also got Finals MVP every time. He has two three-peats...he had to beat magic johnson, James worthy, clyde drexler, patrick ewing, charles barkley, john Stockton karl malone....he retired after his first three peat and played minor league baseball...came back two years later and got another three-peat, retired again in 1999 and came back to play for the Wizards from 2001 to 2003. So a total of four years he missed out on because he was so good. MJ is 4th on the all time scoring list with a little over 32000 points whilst missing out on 4 seasons that he could have added to his total points. Moral of the story MJ is the G.O.A.T and always will be. There is no conversation that MJ is not the G.O.A.T...if you believe otherwise than you are in denial and must not be allowed to have intelligent conversations about the NBA
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Are you fucking serious? 93 Standing Shot 3pt?????? WTF???? I know that collecting cards should get you something good, but this is outrageous!!!!!! A Jordan card this early in the game should NOT have a 93 3pt rating. Drink bleach Ronnie.
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Idk what your problem is. He shot nearly 43% 3'pts in 95/96. WELL DESERVED.
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Collect 2700 cards.
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100. Truth.
This will be the first comment to hit 100
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Show 28 replies...Lmao 129 up-votes
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lol it took 6 months to reach 100, but only another 2 to reach 200
back when it was rare to get 20 upvotes lol
lmfao
Almost 200!
54 upvotes and counting.. holy fuck
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Show 3 replies...@tupac im curious whats the most upvoted comment on the site. is it this one? if so, whats second
At a guess @Klayyyyyy 's Scalabrine post
Only 52 :(
I'm gone for 2 weeks and I see this... Damn
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Show 2 replies...Yeah, I like MJ, but that's ridiculous.
But after you get 2700 cards it should be a 90+.
oh my gosh..the number if people who liked your comment...
cards like this just shouldn't be in all-star team-ups
well instead of having this card with unrealistc stats we should be able to use our mycareer player
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Show 1 reply...No cuz people could exploit with their myplayers
106 likes. Bruh
congrats. 100 likes. 107 upvotes too wow
For real man, you right 110%
It's not unrealistic, he shot over 40% from 3 in the '95-96 season. It was the year the brought the line in 2 feet.
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Show 1 reply...But u have to get 2700 cards so u really gotta grind for this card
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yess thank you
Was tryna click reply then accidently clicked delete... They need to fix that smh
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Show 5 replies...aye i guess one of the admin restored your comment lol
Yooo I asked tupac to put the comment back and he didd
Delete shouldn't be next to reply is what I'm saying...
At least you didn't lose those upvotes
NOOO I DELETED IT BY ACCIDENT
Holy sh*t 63 likes
Goddamn 57
Agreed, as a reward of this caliber, he deserves to be OP, but other MJ cards should not be the good
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Yeah Jordan being a 99 and having a 3 ball is fine when it's just one card, and is the ultimate reward of MyTeam. But when they give Jordan a monster 3 ball on just a normal card, it's BS.
Actually, his 3 point percentages got pretty high later in his career
Yeah when they shortened the 3pt line.
wow this has a lot of upvotes
tbt to when this was the most upvoted comment on the site, and the first to hit both 100 and 200 upvotes.
420 likes
wow this has 420 likes now
419 up votes damn the most ever! (At least I think)
The only stat I think needs to be changed is his block on defense, he deserves a 75 I think.
You think that's a 75 3-point rating? look again
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200 likes omg congrats
Congrats on 200 upvotes.
i think we should get this card OR a better diamond for completing all of the rttf challenges instead of Kareem
Most up-voted comment of all time! Congratulations!!
This comment deserves a trophy...
Review this lineup and add bench players plz!
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/675633/review-my-lineup-and-add-bench#comment-279161
PLZ REVIEW! HELLPPPPP!! http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/301496/budgetballin-500k-max-starting
MJ sucks i dont get why so many people like him he never even played bball. Nick Young is the real MVP
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/286049/my-lineup
Any suggestions?
Can we make this the first comment to hit 200?
The reward should be a Wilt 1961-1962 diamond card. And it should be a 100 overall
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Show 35 replies...stat padders don't deserve 100 ratings sorry
Even if he did stat pad. Evidence showed it helped his team far more than anything guys like Michael Jordan or Bill Russell did.
Do you have an article or link to wherever you found this? Not disagreeing with you, just interested to see the evidence and where it came from.
Oh I have the evidence myself.
Bulls record before MJ = 27-55
Bulls record after MJ's 1st season = 38-44
11 win difference
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Bulls record when MJ gets injured = 30-52
Bulls record when MJ returns = 40-42
10 win difference
Total = 10.5 win difference
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Bulls before Pippen = 40-42
Bulls when MJ leaves Pippen = 55-27
-15 win difference
Total = -4 win difference (compared to Pippen)
Warriors record before Wilt = 32-40
Warriors record after Wilt's 1st season = 49-26
17 win difference
Warriors record in Wilt's last season there = 49-31
Warriors record when Wilt leaves = 17-63
32 win difference
Total = 24.5 win difference
In conclusion Wilt helped his team win on average 14 more games than Jordan. Howether prime Jordan (1987 - 37 PPG) V prime Wilt (1962) shows Wilt helped his team win 22 more games at his peak than Jordan helped his.
Really interesting information, thanks for giving me a different perspective on this!
Well this makes me think that Wilt was the GOAT
JK, JK.
Go suck a di*k.
Jordan's much better,
Than your Chamberlain bull sh*t
Is that meant to rhyme?
Yeah
And I know di*k and sh*t don't rhyme
So why did you write it as a rhyme then?
Idk
lol wut
No, your wrong because you added more onto the Bulls then onto Wilt's, so basically you tried to make Wilt sound better.
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Wilt took 63 shots tho
And his team won...
They one by over 20, too.
Well put
MJ is the face of stat padding
He's not a stat padder. If you say he is because he's "passing up shots" you're wrong". I've seen lots of his film, not highlights, but film. And all he was going was passing to the open man. And you're probably a Jordan dickrider or a Kobetard so STFU
Wilt was a stat padder, but he did it in a way that would help his team. For example, he would not jack up 30 shots he couldn't make and make none of them. He knew his strengths and weaknesses better than probably anyone ever to play the game of basketball. Also, he listened to his coaches and teammates a lot better than Jordan or Kobe. When Alex Hannum clashed with Wilt and told him that he would have to be a facilitator as well as a scorer, Wilt agreed with only some simple fighting. As witnesses say, Hannum stepped up into his face and told Wilt to fight him. Wilt clenched his fists but said nothing, and then said that he had to listen to his coach. Guess what? The 76ers had one of the best years in basketball history that year, and it was all because Wilt listened to his coach unlike Jordan, who would constantly clash with his coaches about how much he would get to score. Tex Winter was an assistant coach with the Bulls and tried to teach the triangle offense, but Jordan shot him down because it would mean less scoring opportunities for him. 100 overall isn't correct though because a 100 overall would have to be a basketball player with no weaknesses, and try as you might, you cannot deny that Wilt had weaknesses. His free throw shooting was ass, his mid-range game deteriorated over the years, and he did not focus enough on defense. I agree that Wilt should at least be above 97, but come on guys, stop being unrealistic.
At least his 1961-62 card should be a 99 overall tho. That's probably the best individual statistical season of all time for any player
This is what i`m saying! Wilt had to stat pad early on and changed his game perfectly throughout his career. Honestly the only weakness I can think of is FT`s and slightly shooting (which he didn`t really need), he was a great defender, 7`2 with a 40+ vertical = 25 block games = Insane rim protection.
1962 Wilt should be a 99 and 1967 Wilt should be a 97-99, if they make both that is of course.
Haha Wilt the Stilt , 100 overall is.... wrong 97 atleast.
no, 98-99 is reasonable. Cards are mostly INDIVIDUAL play, not team play. A guy's not gonna have a 90 speed or something because of his teammates. So, I think Wilt deserves a 99 overall.
This comment needs more recognition. I didn't realize all Wilt did until you said this. Thank you.
I can tell you`re new here... (and welcome)
I'm not "new" like I've been here looking at players for a couple months, I've just never had an account until recently!
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