'72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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General information
Theme
RewardsAdded
Oct 7th, 2015Height
7'2" (218cm)Weight
225lbs (102kg)Age
25From
UCLANickname
The CaptainPlays
P&R Wing
97 Overall
77 Outside scoring
- 88 Standing shot mid
- 84 Moving shot mid
- 30 Standing shot 3pt
- 33 Moving shot 3pt
- 98 Shot IQ
- 69 Free throw
- 99 Offensive consistency
96 Inside scoring
- 97 Standing shot close
- 96 Moving shot close
- 98 Standing layup
- 84 Driving layup
- 95 Standing dunk
- 65 Driving dunk
- 65 Contact dunk
- 84 Draw foul
- 98 Post control
- 99 Post hook
- 94 Post fadeaway
- 98 Hands
79 Athleticism
- 78 Speed
- 65 Acceleration
- 68 Vertical
- 83 Strength
- 95 Stamina
- 95 Hustle
- 84 Overall durability
52 Playmaking
- 48 Ball control
- 58 Passing accuracy
- 46 Passing vision
- 70 Passing IQ
89 Defending
- 90 On-ball defense IQ
- 95 Low post defense IQ
- 95 Help defense IQ
- 94 Pick & roll defense IQ
- 42 Lateral quickness
- 92 Pass perception
- 88 Reaction time
- 56 Steal
- 88 Block
- 89 Shot contest
- 95 Defensive consistency
96 Rebounding
- 95 Offensive rebound
- 96 Defensive rebound
- 96 Boxout
- 3575 Total attributesattr.
Outside Scoring
Deadeye
Can knock down contested shots better than most.
Fade Ace
Excels at making fadeaway jumpers.Inside Scoring
Tear Dropper
Excels at making floaters and runners
Hustle Points
Adept at making shots immediately following offensive rebounds near the basket.
Screen Outlet
Excels as the screener in the pick & roll game.
Bank Is Open
Excels at banking in jumpers.
Relentless Finisher
A player who can take physical punishment on contact shots near the rim without severely impacting his energy.
Post Spin Technician
Dominates the post with his ability to beat his defender spin and drive moves.
Drop Stepper
Known for his ability to us the drop step move to his advantage in the post.
Post Hoperator
Excels at making hop-shots out of the post.
Post Stepback Pro
Shines in his ability to use the post stepback move to score in the post.
Dream-like Up and Under
Known for his ability to use the drop step move to his advantage in the post.
Post Hook Specialist
Known for his ability to make hook shots from the post at a high percentage.Playmaking
Flashy Passer
Known for throwing accurate flashy passes.
Break Starter
Starts fastbreaks with accurate outlet passes.Athleticism
Lob City Finisher
Catches and finished alley-oops at a higher rate than others.
Posterizer
Will succeed at dunking on opposing defenders more often than others.
Bruiser
The physical nature of this player drains energy from his match-up.
Brick Wall
Sets extremely effective screens and drains energy on pick collisions.
Transition Finisher
Adept at running the fastbreak and finishing at a high rate.Defending
Post Lockdown Defender
Drops offensive post attributes of direct match up while playing post defence.
Interceptor
More adept at stealing passes than others
Eraser
Amazing shot blocker who drops interior scoring attributes of opponents while near the rim.Rebounding
Scrapper
A hustle player who wins loose ball battles.
Offensive Crasher
An elite defensive rebounder known for chasing rebounds out of his area.
Defensive Crasher
An elite offensive rebounder known for his ability to get through and around boxouts.Personality
Alpha Dog
Steps his game up when his teammates are performing poorly.
Road Dog
Elevates his play when playing in road games.
Prime Time
Elevates his play in games of great significance.
Cool and Collected
A player who never goes on cold streaks.
Closer
Steps his game up in the 4th quarter and overtime when the game is close
Fierce Competition
Elevates his game when being outplayed or instigated.
Championship DNA
Plays at another level in playoff games. Can also see where double teams are coming from.
Heart and Soul
Rallies team when things are getting out of hand. Helps team stay focused.
Hardened
A tough player that will play through fatigue and inury without experiencing a sever drop in skill.
Legendary Work Ethic
Works harder than the typical NBA player.
Expressive
Has no problem expressing his feelingsDunks
- 80 Standing dunk
- 40 Driving dunk
- 40 Flashy dunk
- 75 Alley-oop
- 52 Putback dunk
- 8 Crash
Layups
- 80 Standing layup
- 40 Driving layup
- 29 Spin layup
- 25 Hop step layup
- 25 Euro step layup
- 25 Floater
Jump shooting
- 25 Step through shot
- 68 Shot under basket
- 19 Shot close
- 6 Shot close left
- 2 Shot close middle
- 0 Shot close right
- 27 Shot mid
- 0 Shot 3pt
- 27 Contested jumper
- 11 Stepback jumper
- 51 Spin jumper
- 50 Transition pull up 3pt
- 0 Use glass
Drive setup
- 20 Triple threat pump fake
- 29 Triple threat jab step
- 98 Triple threat idle
- 47 Triple threat shoot
- 0 Setup with sizeup
- 9 Setup with hesitation
- 99 No setup dribble
Driving
- 39 Drive
- 60 Drive right
- 0 Driving crossover
- 0 Driving spin
- 0 Driving step back
- 0 Driving half spin
- 1 Driving double crossover
- 0 Driving behind the back
- 0 Driving dribble hesitation
- 0 Driving in and out
- 75 No driving dribble move
- 53 Attack strong on drive
Freelance
- 78 Shoot
- 78 Touches
- 0 Roll vs. pop
Post game
- 55 Post up
- 0 Post shimmy shot
- 15 Post face up
- 40 Post back down
- 40 Post aggressive backdown
- 50 Shoot from post
- 50 Post hook left
- 50 Post hook right
- 0 Post fade left
- 0 Post fade right
- 0 Post up and under
- 0 Post hop shot
- 0 Post step back shot
- 20 Post drive
- 25 Post spin
- 50 Post drop step
- 25 Post hop step
Passing
- 46 Dish to open man
- 0 Flashy pass
- 0 Alley oop pass
Defense
- 21 Pass interception
- 26 Take charge
- 26 On-ball steal
- 51 Contest shot
- 51 Block shot
- 99 Foul
- 50 Hard foul
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I believe... they will continue to release the playoff series that you have to win, where you must face every championship playoff road.
For example, you will face everyone the Warriors faced last year in the playoffs, and the final reward is the MPV Iggy card.
Eventually you'll get the MVP for each of those classic teams (which will take MONTHS after MONTHS waiting for them to release new series) and once you collect all you will be rewarded the Kareem.
I believe many people will have him, but... it will be a grind. I recommend getting each series out of the way each week, that way you don't have to play catch up in a few months.
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I'm talking about the weekly challenges if you didn't understand that
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i have 28 weekly challenges (all of them best of 7) do i get Kareem if i beat all those teams or is it more ? :)
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I have all of the ones that have come out done
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Did Helen Keller and Stevie wonder collaborate on the picture?
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... wtf with the picture???
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WTF ? Esa foto... #PS4share pic.twitter.com/Ji5TnpYj5p
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2k is Illuminati confirmed.
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yeah lol
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*Puts on ILLUMINATI song*
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I think that he will be worth the grind, because you also get a 90 overall D Wade from the challenges as well, along with a lot of other players, such as Isiah Thomas, Tony Parker, Pau Gasol, etc.
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This card is gonna be so amazing. Hopefully 2k doesn't find some way to fuck this up causing him not to come out tomorrow
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Yea Ik. Where there's a way, there's a will says 2k. Whenever 2k finds a way to fuck something up, they do it. I hope this card is upgraded too bc it had a better season than the '71 Kareem and it has the same stats. They better not skip a week. I've played/grinded so hard for this card.
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I'll be so pissedd they already missed like 2-3 weeks. We suppsosed to been had him .
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With the unbelievably long grind we have done this card deserves an upgrade
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FAXX 98 OR 99
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i know i totally agree at least 98 the hakeem is just collecting cards which you can spent money but this card was a grind
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How does one get this card?
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Complete the finals champions collection, which we dont know how to do yet
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i think there has to be some type of catch because i cant see the cards being very expensive and then everyone would have kareem
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u gotta play like 200 weekly challenge games with all different players from all different teams or maybe more to get him and then u won't be able to auction him because he's a reward card. The other one from the Bucks franchise can be in the auction block. I'm sure it will be expensive. Right now they r showing the exact same stats, but they r from 2 different years so that may be updated or changed. I'm sure not everyone will have him, but at least they give everyone a chance to get a Kareem with hard work. That's a lot of broing ass challenge games to play though. All the challenges won't be released for a while though so it prob won't be til at least March which sucks.
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He will not be sellable, he will be better rated then the 71 one because he averaged more in points rebounds, assists and field goal percentage possible 98 overall?
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I know I was saying the 71 Kareem will be sellable, but prob be hella expensive.. I hope he is a 98 ovr that'd be tight.
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I think he'll be cheaper them you think because a lot of people will have this version
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maybe, but u gotta play like 200 games to get him. I'm sure there'll be plenty of people who will do it, but I haven't played any of them yet so I don't know how hard they r. I'm sure he'll still be expensive, but that will definitely bring the value down some.
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Some of this shit doesn't feel worth it this year though. I've got 1700 cards, but I don't even know if it's worth it to keep going. it's not even fun to me playing online so far, because of the lag. It's way too much lag for me this year... what is the point of building a great team just so I can play games against the cpu in offline games? It is better and more of a challenge this year, but I like facing a real opponent online, and the lag ruins it for me. How can u time a shot or anything when it's lagging?
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Check out cash nastys video of him his post fade was cheddar.
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more like mozzarella
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4 more days till the goat, unless 2k scams and pushes it back another week.
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24 more hours
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I'm pumped dude!!! I've been grinding sooooo freaking hard to get this bad boy! I think everyone is sleeping on just how good he is gonna be! First of all, he is freaking fast for a center! With a bad hook shot that will kill anyone. This is the ultimate big guy! Almost... Shall I say... Cheese?!
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Blows my mind that anyone is spending money on diamond centers anymore, seeing as how you can get one of the best centers in the game for FREE
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Though, I just want to say, I got Diamond Bill Russell and I cannot wait to have him paired with this Kareem in the paint. Bill is one of the cheapest Diamonds, so I personally feel that is really good move if you want a super strong post. All the other Diamond centers are just too expensive, so I feel Bill might actually be worth it.
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Yea like why would you go get diamond boogie when u can get this kareem for free and just bring like george Mikan off the bench. Mikan costs nothing and is amazing
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Yea like why would you go get diamond boogie when u can get this kareem for free and just bring like george Mikan off the bench. Mikan costs nothing and is amazing
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Wasn't his name Lew Alcindor at this point?
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THEY BETTER UPDATE HIS STATS!!!!!!
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Can someone tell me how to get this card?
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U need to play the rttf challenges.. They r under daily challenges
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have suceeded all Challenges but i didn't get the card.
I think because of the Detroit Challenge , at that time i only got the historic Isiah Thomas, not the Reward One.
Does anybody know how i can solve this problem...?
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GOT HIM TODAY! BEEN BLOWING PPL OUT ALL DAY ON ROAD TO THE PLAYOFFS WITH HIM. I JUST WISH HIS STATS WAS A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE THE OTHER KAREEMS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL. NICE CARD THOUGH!
CHECK OUT MY LINEUP: http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/44641/1st-48-current-lineup
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damn this reward card should be better than the historic cuz people spent days and months getting this card and then there will be a 99 overall that you can get in seconds (in the auction house). 2k doesn't care about the hard work that people put on this game they just care about they're ratings
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Who is going for him I have beat the warriors playoff run and first of the rockets just want to see what people are up to
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Honestly it's just time consuming. I finished all of the Warriors, the Lakers and the Rockets challenges. I'm finishing up the Pistons one right now, about to start the Spurs one. I'd say it's worth it though, to have him and say you own a diamond. I use my Pau Gasol from the Lakers Finals Reward all the time and I'll probably use Dwyane Wade frequently was well, so that's how it's going for me.
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Update ... my current starting lineup is Amethyst Tony Parker, Amethyst Jason Kidd, Amethyst Dwyane Wade, Amesthyst Pau Gasol and Gold DeMarcus Cousins, soon to be Diamond Kareem. I'll put Kidd at the point, Wade at the two and Parker on the bench once I get Clyde from the Gauntlet. He'll be my three.
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the wade reward card is a bit dissapointing for me. his defense is nice, but dude cannot make a 3 and misses open jumpers. Pau gasol is not athletic enough, and without him being able ot make a 3 is useless
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I find the Wade card to be good on fast break, which is primarily why he's on the bench for me now. I also put Gasol on the bench as well considering he's very slow, but has good post play and a good free throw for a big man. His rebounding is only decent for me. Diamond Crawford and Diamond Millsap are in my starting lineup now
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Nice, Pippen? Or CBF
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No idea what CBF is but I have Pippen and to be honest I don't like him that much
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Im all prepared for this stacked up on 8 cards for every team, that Kareem will be mine!
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Which teams have you planned to target ?
Pistons starting now, also have Bulls, Lakers, Spurs and Heat.
Do you have any additional one ?
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Well are u asking me the teams that are required cause, beside the ones that have passed like the Warriors, Rockets. I got my Pistons players, Heat players, Spurs players, Laker players, and Suns players. And if you asked me theres no point not to get the players before hand, the players value will go up when the challenge comes out and you get golds and a amethyst d wade and on top of all that a diamond kareem.
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not sure how different this one is going to be from the 71
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He should be better after averaging more in everything with a night field goal percentage
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To get this card, you have to win 6 different series, which is 116 wins to get him. Thats like doing all of domination twice
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Considering I don't even use Scottie Pippen and Jason Kidd in my line-up, I think this is a much better deal than domination. And it has to be a lot of wins or else when April came everyone would have him and they can't, or at least shouldn't, just give the same diamond player to everyone in the game. It wouldn't be fun if you played against a diamond Kareem with your diamond Kareem every game.
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Do you know absolutely anything about basketball or do you just look at the three point stats and the dunking stats and build your team around that. Well what can I expect from a LeBron fan
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When April comes this guy is going to be unstoppable at PF for me, I don't really understand how there is a 3 rating difference between this and the 82 version though. The only difference is the ratings are this ones a bit more athletic and has better offensive rebounding, I don't think thats 3-rating points though.
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This picture fucked up as hell
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westbrook has more badges than this guy smh
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Honestly since this is the only reward Diamond in the game, I see no reason not to get him. It is a long grind, but since I may never get another Diamond with the odds of pulling one, why not get him.
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Since all the other diamond rewards are getting boosted I wouldn't be surprised if this got an upgrade 98 potentially
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This card will most likely get upgraded. From '71 to '72, he nearly got 1500 more points and averaged like 3 more points or something to that extent. I doubt it will have the same stats as the '71 historic card unless 2K are retards who don't give about this game and know nothing about it. I've worked my ass off to get this Kareem (I had to catch up by I got the game late. I already a caught up) and I I don't want to be disappointed. Obviously this card is a god send but it'd be great if it's upgraded. This card is going to help me so much in RTTP...
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Should I get any players in particular for the Pistons RTF?
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The grind is unreal, I have already done 1/2 of Heat, Rockets, Lakers, and Spurs.
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Does anyone have any advice for the Pistons challenge? It seems like the hardest.
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It wasn't THAT hard... Just don't be distracted while doing it. You have to concentrate while playing these games. Especially for the last series against the Lakers. They make you play 98 and 97 magic and Kareem. That Kareem is 41 years old and they give him the 97 Kareem card..it's gay af. Put Kawhi on Magic
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I just got moments Drummond, Wallace, and Billups to come off the bench and I think that I'll have James get Magic and Hakeem get his future replacement, Kareem.
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i don't believe people understand how worth this grind actually is. Think about it... a free diamond.... but also 3 amythest cards aswell... even if your starting lineup is better then the rewards they make for one hell of a bench for free aswell. my team is going to be stacked after this.
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Wasn't worth it whatsoever, could've sniped the MT for 3 decent diamonds in the time these challenges take.
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My lineup once RTTF challenges wrap up, it's gonna be fucking lit! http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/115277/after-rttf
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I literally have 6 of 7 reward cards to get him and of course 2k wants to not drop the last challenge series this week ._.
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Do you know if they have acttualy said that. No hate intended just curious
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Usually, they drop challenges every Tuesday and last Tuesday they didn't release it and not Ronnie or LD said why.
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Does anyone know if the suns challenge is the last challenge to get this card?
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Rate my lineup? http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/190836/hustlin-every-day
KAJ as PF With Admiral?
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Why are all the Kareem's the same overall with the same stats
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Historic bucks and reward arent out. İ think they get an update soon
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But it shows there overall on 2KMTC and all there stats are the same
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what day of the week do the challenges come out cuz I'm ready
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Tuesdays
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Just got him and played a few game with him. Amazing player. Only downside is I now get matched up with all diamond teams, which is annoying since I only have 7 amethysts on my team, plus Kareem. Other than that he's great. Absolute monster inside; beat up diamond Wilt pretty thoroughly.
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Kareem just added more cheese to my lineup. http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/32081/current
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PLEASE HELP
I've suceeded all Challenges but i didn't get the Kareem card.
I think because of the Detroit Challenge, at that time i only got the historic Isiah Thomas, not the Reward One.
Does anybody know how i can solve this problem...?!
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I had to contact 2k support. Just tell them what happened. They will probably ask you to restart your ps4 or something. just say you did and it didnt work. You'll have to show them proof of everything so make a video and send it to them. then you should be good :)
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Yes it worked, just had a view maila with the support and sent them a Video, they Unlockes Zecke Reward Pack, and then the Kareem Pack.
Great and FAST support from 2K! (less then 24hours to solve the problem), i didn't expected that..
Thanks for your advice!
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I got him yesterday.He is the PF in my lineup and he is a dominant player.His shooting release is awesome for pick and fade. I gave him 17 gold badges. I pair him with dpoy hakeem and this duo is unstoppable.
Rate my lineup? http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/248605/0416
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This Kareem is only 75 attributes points better than the Amy Kareem :/
What a scam :(
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Not really they just overated the amy one
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I know 75 speed for a 39 year old center is pretty stupid. DR Kobe is like a 67 at 36 years.
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Recommendations? On a budget.
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/447687/current
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Can I have some advice on my lineup??
http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/170998/my-lineup
Thanks
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plz rate my new lineup http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/95959/my-current-lineup
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Rate my lineup? http://2kmtcentral.com/16/lineups/190836/hustlin-every-day
KAJ as PF with Admiral? I have all Finals. I am waiting of the last 2 of Suns
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I'm in same situation with you (two games till Kareem and I get him too.) don't put Kareem at PF. dumb move. He's 7'2 and although he's fast for both PF and C, he will be a monster miss match at C.
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Thanls for your reply.Im gonna to test Robinson on PF. I think he can play at the 4. The reason is, that i wont to pay so much MT for a PF. I m saving for KG tbt. If i can get him my line up is finished with KAJ,KG,Lebron, Gervin, Thomas
My Bench : Admiral,McAddo,Pippen,ROY Jordan, İverson,Wilkins,Wade mybe Majerle as a shooter with less mins
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Ok so I've got him but he doesn't seem to be as good as I thought, not grabbing enough rebounds and his shot seems to be a bit off most of the time, anyone else finding this? I haven't played with him for long so might just be me
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Current Big Men Situation:
PF:Diamond Kareem
C: Yao Ming
Backup PF: Ralph Sampson
Backup C: Gheroghe Muresan
Is it a GG to my adversaries?
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You know Scal was a 5 position player right
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Show 46 replies...Nah? All time scorer above every position and nah? Of course he's the best center. If you HAVE to choose someone over him, it'd be Wilt IMO
But he isn't the best scorer. PPG is a more accurate measurement of that, and Kareem is 5 PPG behind Jordan and Wilt
What does Jordan have to do with the best C of all time?
lol got'em
Oh wait I forgot that's what this is about. Still 5 PPG behind Wilt though
Wilt played 10 years behind him where there was less competition. Kareem was playing in freakin '89
Less competition? Kareems best years came when half the good centers were in the ABA. So old Wilt was his biggest rival, and old Wilt matched him...
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Lmao he ignorance... So in the 60's everyone was 6'0 then once the 70's began everyone magically became taller? The average height of centers in the 60's was 6'9, even today it's only 6'10... Half those guys you named played against Wilt too...
I'm not talking about centers in the 60s you idiot. I'm talking about guards. He could just run past all 5 players is what I'm saying. Averaging 50 points does not look like it was challenging to him.
Well the guards today are 6'0 too "idiot", there are 5'9-11" PG's, some of them (Thomas, Lawson) are defiantly no scrubs, there were no "tiny" PG's in the 60's like that, look at the big O too, he was 6'5 so surely if all the guards were 6'0 he would have been a SF?
why are you talking about 60's point guards though? None of Kareems cards are from the 60's. And as for small guards, Nate Archibald was a straight up beast. 1973 He was the only player to EVER lead the league in both points/assists in the same season. They list him at 6'1, but he definitely wasn't. His card in this game is probably the most underrated and underused card in the game. He's my starting PG, and honestly the only person I would take over him is the 98 overall Big O. Nate can shoot 3's, 99 speed and acceleration, and he can dunk like craaaaaazy!!
But... as for the best center. That goes to my boy Hakeem. He has 2/5 Quadruple Doubles in NBA History!! He was the most complete center. Even MJ said on his all time team he would take Hakeem as his C. Dude could straight up beast on anybody. He handled every elite center in the league with no problem. Like David Robinson in the 95 playoffs. Dominated young Shaq. And, dominated Ewing in the 94 finals. I don't think Wilt or Bill would be able to handle the full bag of tricks Hakeem has. Wilt and Bill relied on their size to score mostly, while Hakeem, has unstoppable finesse.
Nah I'm talking about when Wilt played.
Good to here amethyst Nate is good, the gold one was the first gold I bought and I plan to use him for the rest of 2K, unless the amethyst becomes available to me, he's the first card on my shopping list if I hit the jackpot somehow.
Hakeem only had 1 of 4 quadruples doubles. Wilt has unofficially recorded 10's of quad dubs before blocks were recorded. Wilt would be too strong for Hakeem and had finesse moves that were nearly as good, his mix of length and atletacism would dominate Hakeem on defense too, no 90's centers, no matter how good overall, were not as big or athletic as Wilt.
Yeah Nate is definitely worth a pickup. If you put a 3pt shoe on him.... My god lol.
Where are you getting your stats from? Cuz you're wrong on the quadruple doubles. He should have had a second one. Dumbass statistician didn't he deserved the 10th assist but he should have. Wilt's only an inch taller and twenty pounds heavier... I don't see how he could be more athletic. Have you not watched much of his tape? his rookie season he met the ball at the top of its arc and threw it down... Plus watching Wilt's highlight tape... What finesse are you talking about? He literally just turns and scoops it in because he's bigger than everybody; including Bill. I think that 275 mark is fairly generous too because Wilt does not look that thick. Hakeem had to guard Shaq and David Robinson who were fricking brick shit houses. Muscle men. He held his own. Wilt never had the dream shake or anything like that, and he'd be biting on those fakes hella hard, cuz he's used to blocking everybody, cuz they're smaller and they didn't do moves like that back then! I'm watching "Wilt Chamberlain: The greatest offensive force" on Youtube and literally, the first minute is just him turning around and shooting fadeaways (which all look real ugly), and not one pump fake. Also, the D Bill is playing on him looks soft as hell. Not even bodying him or anything and just letting him turn and fade and he just stood there with his hands up...
Wilt was a national champion in the 400, high jump, broad jump, triple jump, and shot put while he was at Kansas. Safe to say he was a fair bit more athletic than Hakeem. And Wilt didn't look that big because he was so long. Coming into the league he was about 250, but in his prime he played between 290 and 310, and he was still able to block shots at the top of the backboard. Wilt was a finesse player. He could handle the ball, pass, shoot mid range, fadeaways, and his drop step was damn near unstoppable. Also, we only have footage of less than 20% of Wilt's career field goals. Tell me, could Hakeem dislocate Gus Johnson's shoulder by blocking his dunk? Could Hakeem break Red Kerr's toe with a dunk? Watching footage of Wilt he rarely bit on pump fakes, most of the time he kept his arms up and didn't jump. Wilt was far stronger, quicker, and more athletic than Hakeem. He would absolutely bully Hakeem down low and he easily had the length and quickness to stop whatever Hakeem tried on offense
Obviously guards are still that height but through generations, players I have gotten more athletic and better. Wilt was an "advanced" person because of his athletic talent combined with his height. On top of all that, the players sucked at his time. Beside height, all the guards in the 60s are way worse than the guards today. That's not an opinion. It's a fact that the game has evolved along with the players.
It comes down to whether you want to look at the context of a player in his era or compare him to today's players. Unless basketball loses popularity today's players will almost always be better than yesterday's players. It is important to note however that the player in the past would have been better in all likely-hood if he was born in this era because the same advantages that everyone else has now through the evolution of the game that player would have had.
Kareem is the all time leader in points however, if Wilt played as long as Kareem he would beat it by about 7,000 points. MATH TO BACK IT UP:
Kareems points per season 2,020
Wilts points per season 2,416
2,416 x 6 (amount of seasons to match kareems) = 14,501 points
14,501 + 31,419 (Wilts total points)= 45,920 points
Wilt- 45,920 points
Kareem- 38,387 points
That's like saying "If Bo never got hurt he would've been the best running back which MAKES him the best running back." No. Just because YOU think wilt would've done better (you do worse when you get older so idk why you think he would stay averaging the saw points), doesn't mean he is automatically better than Kareem.
That's not true at all. You cannot tell the future bro. Math does not "back you up" because you don't know what wilt would've done. And again, Kareem was 10 years ahead of him where it's harder because it's a different calibre of players. That's not my opinion; that's a fact. People have evolved and after 10 years, there was much more talent around the NBA. As a matter of fact, wilt's last year was around '72 and Kareem's was '89 so about 15 years so even better. And that would've could've shit is retarded.
Ya know what else is retarded you saying "Bro, in the 60s, more than 90% of the players were 6'0 white guys who sucked shit. The only other player was Bill (his only competition) and that's why they always met up in finals. When Kareem played, his competition was Bill Walton, Bob McAdoo, Dave cowens, Willis Reed, Bob Lanier, Wes Unseld, Nate Thurmond, Moses Malone, Robert parish, jack sikma, artis Gilmore, Hakeem and the list goes on..." Than @Klayyyyyy saying "Lmao he ignorance... So in the 60's everyone was 6'0 then once the 70's began everyone magically became taller? The average height of centers in the 60's was 6'9, even today it's only 6'10... Half those guys you named played against Wilt too..." and then you saying that you werent talking about the 60's so ya know, good job...
I love it how you are being so serious. When I said that YOU couldn't predict the future of Wilt's career, you quoted me*laughijg emoji* stay on thatbtopic "bro"(<lol you quoted me on that) Stop giving me more info tho. That's your opinion and this is mine. I'm just saying the Kareem has better stats to back him up as the greatest center of all time. If you don't fucking believe me, YOU respond to me naming the top 10 players in the 60s and I will respond with the top 10 players in the 80s... We will see who wins that
I wasn't being serious when I said 90% of the people who played then were 6'0 white people ypu retarded peice of shit.
You aren't that smart are you?
Actually, you are the retard here. I'm saying why Kareem is better than wilt and you are saying why he's not with no facts to back you up. Kareem played longer cause he had more endurance probably. At 39 Kareem was played better (according to his stats) than wilt at 35. Don't get me wrong, wilt was incredible, so that's why IMO, I rank Kareem at 1 and wilt at 2. You guys gotta become less defensiveness...damn. There's no right or wrong answer. If there HAD to be a right answer, it'd be that Kareem is better cause he's ranked higher than wilt in more than 50% of the top whatever lists (more opinions) and Kareem had better career stats. Idc if wilt didn't play as long seasons as he did. That would've could've shit IS shit
He isn't, he doesnt evn kno how to spel propery. I WANT WILT INSIDE OF ME
Please tell me that was a joke...
old wilt was still good, but not fast or athletic. still had impressive post moves and defense, so he could still compete against kareem
wilt said personally, kareem was hard to guard
Well yeah I didn't say he made Kareem look like a scrub... I'm pretty sure Kareem said he always went full out vs Wilt because otherwise he would be destroyed
I didn't take anything away from wilt. I know my opinion, Kareem is the #1 center ever and wilt is the #2 center ever.
You know nothing, D. Wade
Bro it's an opinion. If you think wilt is better, that's your opinion. I Probably know more about football and basketball than you so it's fine.
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You can't look purely at PPG for how good a scorer someone is. You have to look at points per 36 minutes, give it some weight if they had played more minutes in less because that causes fatigue, and then account for efficiency with eFG% and TS%.
You are an idiot. Kareem's consistancy was amazing. He averages 20+ per 36 min almost all his career. Even at 38 years old.
Lol how tf am I the idiot when you don't even have reading comprehension? Tell me any point in my argument where I mentioned Kareem. I was arguing against Klayyyy's using purely PPG for how good of a scorer a player was, no where did I mention any player and how using my method would harm or help their argument as a great scorer.
He wasn't even talking to you... idiot
Curry is what now?
Bill Russell
N/A
11 rings and the top rebounder of all time not enough for you?
bill russell had like 20 HOFers on his team
wilt is the top rebounder
11 team achievements and Wilt being the career leader for rebounds puts Russell down the order.