Russell Westbrook
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1000Height
6'3" (190cm)Weight
200lbs (90kg)Age
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UCLADynamic Duo
98 Kevin DurantPlays
P&R Ball Handler Isolation Guard Post UpPrices
99 Overall
98 Outside scoring +1
- 99 Open shot mid
- 98 Contested shot mid
- 99 Off dribble shot mid
- 97 Open shot 3pt +2
- 97 Contested shot 3pt +2
- 97 Off dribble shot 3pt +2
- 99 Shot IQ
- 98 Free throw
- 99 OffensiveOff. consistency
99 Athleticism
- 99 Speed
- 99 Acceleration
- 99 Vertical
- 88 Strength
- 99 Stamina
- 99 Hustle
- 98 Overall durability
97 Inside scoring
- 99 Shot close
- 99 Standing layup
- 99 Driving layup
- 85 Standing dunk
- 98 Driving dunk +1
- 98 Contact dunk +1
- 99 Draw foul
- 79 Post control
- 79 Post hook
- 88 Post fadeaway
- 98 Hands
99 Playmaking
- 98 Ball control
- 99 Passing accuracy
- 99 Passing vision
- 99 Passing IQ
- 99 Speed with ball
98 Defending
- 98 On-ball defensedef. IQ
- 79 Low post defensedef. IQ
- 98 Pick & roll defensedef. IQ
- 98 Help defensedef. IQ
- 99 Lateral quickness
- 99 Pass perception
- 98 Reaction time
- 98 Steal
- 88 Block
- 98 Shot contest
- 98 DefensiveDef. consistency
98 Rebounding
- 98 Offensive rebound
- 98 Defensive rebound
- 98 Boxout
- 99 Potential
- 40 Intangibles
- 4424 Total attributesattr. +8
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Notice how all his stats above 90 are 97+
its because the things he is good at he is very good at
Show 16 replies...Wouldn't really say that about his 3pt shooting, defending and passing IQ
Defending he is good at but everything else you said yeah no
Did you just say Russell Westbrook is a good defender..
Of the 81 guards that played at least 40 games for at least 25 minutes per game, Westbrook ranks 24th in Defensive Rating and 10th in Defensive Win Shares and is #1 in Defensive Rebounds per game (of course). Westbrook is an underrated defender.
Do you not see how Westbrook gets his rebounds, Steven Adams basically gives him them or Westbrook leaves his man wide open hoping he misses. Steven Adams is a phenomenal rebounder and on the offensive end and boxing out he is unstoppable, so how is he not a beast with defensive rebounding? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za5s59pHnv8 here's a video showing his defense, he decides to play defense when he feels like playing defense which makes him a bad defender, like a harden situation. You need to know stats don't say everything and can I see where you got your stats from??
its funny that as soon as you say something that westbrick fans literally cant argue against they just disappear
I’m right here bitch. What are you trying to argue. I can guarantee you’ll be proven wrong. Don’t send me link to a video because I’ve seen them. They try to discredit Westbrook by handpicking situations. These videos are supposed to represent how he doesn’t earn his rebounds and doesn’t play defense. But in reality those highlights are the only ones they could find and these videos are only like 8 mins long, that’s less than 1 quarter of a single basketball. This man played 80 games at 36 mpg. If this is all there is, I’m sorry these claims are just wrong. I watched probably 85% of the thunder games and Westbrook earns the majority of his rebounds and puts his heart into playing defense. Are there times where he’ll slack off when he’s guarding a lesser player, of course but you can find 8 minutes of every player being lazy on defense and grabbing an uncontested rebound. There’s an actual strategy the thunder has for letting Russ get them uncontested when that happens. Why do you think he lead the league in fast break points. You guys hate on his stats because it’s never been done like this before. Just appreciate the fact that 6’4 pg is able to these things. It’ll be awhile before it happens again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4O82XCpyEc im done arguing with westbrick fans yall are stubborn autistis. watch this video its pretty much the same as my argument. if you can somehow argue against this then have at it
Literally said don’t send me a link.i watched it and it’s the same as all the other videos, I understood your point and I told you why you wrong. If you have nothing to say back about what I said then fine.
you said nothing that is true just some random bullshit lmao kid learn basketball
chill tf out and we aren't hating on his triple double, it's legit the way he gets them. you actually just said that he is specified to get rebounds uncontested and ALL nba players are supposed to play defense and put their heart in it, defense is 50% of the game after all. So you admitted that Russell Westbrook gets his rebounds because they're basically given to him by the coaching and that Russell Westbrook slacking off on defense against "lesser players is ok"?? HE DID THAT IN THE PLAYOFFS THE BIGGEST EVENT LEADING UP AFTER THE REGULAR SEASON HE GAVE UP A TRIPLE DOUBLE TO GODDAMN RICKY RUBIO A ROLE PLAYER NOT KNOWN FOR SCORING OR GRABBING REBOUNDS and not to mention more role players like jeff teague took advantage of westbrooks lazy pnr defense. and when you have that type of athletic ability you have to be able to score on defense in transistion. Kai get this through your damn head SAGGING OFF ON DEFENSE, AND UNNECESSARY COACHING TO GET YOUR PG REBOUNDS IS NOT OKAY DAMN. sure we won't see most triple doubles but when russell westbrook isn't putting all his heart into defense and caring more about that triple double that's not OKAY. and in that clip i sent earlier on THOSE WERE BACK TO BACK POSESSION OF RUSSELL WESTBROOK GETTING ABUSED ON DEFENSE if you look close enough you can see westbrook going legit behind the player when there's a screen and just standing there for most of the possession.
Man I’m not yelling at you I’m letting you know you’re saying the same thing over and over. I’m sorry man you just don’t watch the games. These slacking off incidents are so rare. He gives it his all a good 95% of the time but for some reason you spend your time trying to find these, you can do this with every player in the nba, And don’t tell me Russ does it more than others because he doesn’t. . With the rebounds, of course he’s going to have uncontested rebounds, but he’ll have 12-15 rebounds sometimes, most of those he does earn. I can tell you don’t watch the games because everyone that actually does knows Russ earns most of his stats. About the waiting for a rebound, have you played basketball. You know when your guy gets an off ball screen you’re still suppose to remain in help right? Russ can sag off so far because he has the instincts and speed to contest his man if they do get a shot. You need to get this through you’re head, if you have the fastest and quickest player in. The league you want to get that man the ball as quick as possible so you can start the fast break quicker. Fast breaks are the easiest plays in basketball, if you’re coaching someone that is the best at getting those points and you don’t get him the ball in fast breaks you’re an idiot and you’re wasting his skills.
How can you be so foolish to base your opinion on a video which talks about one game?... Do you even realise that Russ was at the top of the league leaders in steals for almost the entire season?
Prove me wrong, Steph Curry and Allen Iverson led the league in steals in different seasons, does that make them good defenders necessarily? Also the basis of my opinion was not off 1 video, even when I was arguing against Kai he said that Russell Westbrook will sag on defense against "lesser players". I have multiple basis' including the playoff series with the Thunder vs Jazz when Ricky Rubio got a triple double in a game, and when Jeff Teague abused Russell Westbrooks PnR defense in a few games. If you want more proof here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFkBnOBgoxg (The point of that 1 video is: Steph Curry is the best PG in the LEAGUE, and Russell Westbrook is doing basically nothing to stop him in back to back possessions)
TL;DR
Steals don't mean everything on defense even people who you wouldn't call lockdown defenders like AI and Steph Curry lead the league in steals. Also there are multiple basis' of my opinion: Kai being a supposed fan of Westbrook, saying he sags off on defense and the coaching set it up so Russell Westbrook would get boards, and did you even watch the video link that Nova sent??
(Btw, I'm not a Russell Westbrook hater he honestly just isn't a good defensive player but he does what is best for his team, he'd probably be better if the Thunder had better coaching.)
First off, Steph only lead the league for 1 season, not different seasons... And AI might not have been the "best" defender in the league, but he did his part and that lead him to 3 straight years of dominating the league in steals... Russ and AI are very comparable in that case... Russ might not be the best defender but to call his defense overrated, that's just straight up BS...
I will act like you guys and say this: look at the last game Houston - OKC from the regular season... Russ took it upon himself to lock Harden down and boy did he succeed...
Meet Russell Westbrook. My favorite nba player ever. He can’t shoot very well,but he can pass rebound play a little defense(not a lot just referring to the game he put James harden on clamps) he can get to the hole. People complain that he is a ball hog well the season that he was the biggest ball hog was the best season of his life, it was in this season he got comparisons to lebron and mJ for the way they change the game. He has also averaged a triple double for the last 2 seasons(which hasn’t been done before). He doesn’t statpad a lot of players that say that can’t get triple doubles like WB. He doesn’t statpad he just loves the game if you watch every thunder game you can see the energy and life he brings to the team. Even after that if you still say he statpads just remember he still makes the playoffs every year he’s healthy.
WB haters seriously need to stop he does what’s best for the team and nothing else.
Show 13 replies...IKR get off his back
No he does what is best for him and that's all
How kid, how does he only do what’s best for him. Stop hating lmao you couldn’t do one quarter of one half of one quarter of one half of what he could do gtfo.
That is probably true but he is still does only what is best for him.
10 Asts
That is so he can get a triple-double still for himself
In 2017 if WB had taken less shots, you think they would have won more games?
Yes
I don’t think they would have, you’re entitled to your own opinion, you won’t change my mind, end of discussion.
It's true that Russell Westbrook stat pads, while boxing out his teammates for rebounds and circling endlessly looking for teammates to pass to near the end of games so that he can get another assist for a triple double, and it probably is true that if Westbrook took less shots in the playoffs they would go farther.
First off, he doesn’t box out his teammates, they let him grab them because it starts the fast break quicker. If Adams gets the board they have to make the extra pass which can be a game changer in fast break situations.
We each have our own opinion, but Westbrook is one of the most talented players, but wastes it through shot IQ and efficient. He shot about 45% overall, less than 30% from 3, and 73% from the line. He is the biggest stat padder I have ever seen, and makes his teammates worse. An example is how Victor Oladipo, basically the "2nd" scoring option behind Russ, grew and became the MIP the year after leaving the Thunder. On the flip side, Paul George took a large statistical drop when traded to the Thunder, basically becoming a spot up shooter. Russ doesn't know how to play off-ball, and his playstyle will most likely never bring him a championship.
So 8 uncontested rebounds per game and contesting the fewest threes in the league isn’t stat padding?
lol but he still statpads and make teamates worse (Kd,harden,oladipo,steven adams could be a all star, ibaka melo,pg13) but.... okay
Show 2 replies...Triple double for what tho? Meaningless stats
Show 4 replies...They won 80% of the game she got a triple double in
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Ok. I'm not saying that its bad that he gets triple doubles, I agree that its best for his team that he gets the majority of the rebounds since they can get out in transition faster. But when it comes down to it, triple double is just a name and it doesn't make him better that his team lets him grab those easy defensive rebounds
People complain about WBs three and not Mitchell’s but look at this:
Donovan Mitchell 2017-18:
2.4 3PM 7 3PA 34%
Russell Westbrook 2016-17:
2.5 3PM 7.2 3PA 34.3%
Like come on...
those are 2 different seasons. yall westbrick fans autistic
Show 1 reply...
Russell Westbrook 2017-2018:
1.2 3PM 4.1 3PA 29.8%
In case you forgot what year we are living in =.=
This is a throwback card, retard.
Yeah, i forgot. Throwback when Westbrook was trash
Oh wait... He is STILL trash, like his fandom. Just ask KD, he knew
Kid just stop. If you think he was trash you must think Mitchell is a trash shooter, which isn’t true. WB was a good shooter in 16-17 just like Mitchell is now.
Oh please, if even Westbrook knew how to shoot properly (which he will never know how), he would not gonna be a winner. Think about it, stat padding, all of that rebounds. Luckily enough for Westbrook, he got Steven Adams, oh mr.tripledouble yada yada
Kid just gtfo
Nash fan and Kobe hater???? Oh gosh is this my birthday lol, should change those to "westbrook bandwagoner"
Kid first you have no reason to say he couldn’t shoot properly when he shot 34% from 3 literally just .4% less than Harden that year. I don’t hate Kobe I think he is overrated, but I’m not going to shove my opinion about that in your face. I’m not even a fan of Westbrook my favorite player is Chris Bosh, your comments are being downvotes you’re clearly losing the argument kid you’re probably 8. You can’t bandwagon a player who loses in the first round just gtfo he already won MVP just gtfo
Downvote by who?? Your split social persona dudeeee that got me laughing
People who don’t like your opinion bud go to English class instead of chilling on this site be your top comment has 4 downvote I have 2 accounts get the fuck out now kid.
Oh, looks like somebody feeling got hurt. Btw u should check Westbrook's advanced stats, they are horrifying, inappropriate for "children" XD
You’re clearly the child here bud “somebody feeling got hurt” gtfo
What? Just look at those advanced stats
“Looks like somebody feeling hurt” dumbest thing I’ve ever heard end of argument.
??? Are u out of opion or what? Try to use something we called brain, if u have one
No kid, I’m really not. I looked at his advanced stats their not so bad you just say that because you’ve heard someone say it before, I doubt you even looked at the stats. He led the league in Ast % the past two years he’s one of the best playmakers in the league. I just don’t think I should have to argue against someone who say shit like, “Are u out of option of opion or what?”
Guess how many turnovers he had, trying to "deliver" those ast
Less than Harden just gtfo
What now, harden hater??? Pls, u are driving me crazy with these mumbk jumbo
I’m not arguing with you actually Westbrook haters usually have some sense but you have none and btw you’re not an OKC fan don’t pretend.
Yeah, i'm a okc durant fan, now he left, we stuck with this man, at least we got PG13 to watch
Do u even watch the game??? Wow, looking at stats and jump into conclusion. Wow, typical moron fan
EXPLAIN HOW 3 POINT PERCENTAGES AND ATTEMPTS DON’T SHOW HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED. Kid you’re actually so dumb it hurts my head, if you shoot a high 3 point percentage attempting a lot you’re a good shooter. WBs assists don’t show the whole story cause a lot of those are bail outs, and the same with rebounds but you can’t say anything about the 3P% he shot decent from 3 attempting a lot therefore was a pretty good shooter, as good as Mitchell was this year.
Yeah, so?? Do u watch the game?? Have you ever watch a single game of basketball, it is HORRIFYING to watch westbrook shoot, i repeat HORRIFYING, can't we just trade him away or what, he has done nothing for the organization
Why is it horrifying to watch him shoot? You literally have no argument you just say things shooting 34% from three while attempting 7.2 a game is pretty good end of argument.
Wow, u sir, don't watch the game, disappointed. I have watched every Thunder games, so yeah, talk to you like to my dogs but slightly dumber, even my dogs know how bad a shooter Westbrook is
YOU ARE ACTUALLY THE DUMBEST FUCKING PERSN ON THE PLANET. DO YOU EVEN HEAR WHAT I’M SAYING? WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK HE WAS A BAD SHOOTER IN 16-17, YOU LITERALLY GAVE NO REASON TO WHY HE IS.
Since there are no full game so this will work
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/20/15370190/russell-westbrook-fourth-quarter-shooting-thunder-vs-rockets-game-2-playoffs
This is just one small example, i told you, don' let those stats fool you, high shot volume higher the % just look at this year % and attempts.
Kid your actually so dumb that’s like saying “Curry shot 1 of 10 from 3 in game 3 he’s a bad shooter” done with this argument blocked.
Do u know how steph got his % up that year, he shot more shots, the more u attempts, the better the %, learn maths pls, it is easy to figure out
That makes no sense you’re saying that even if Taj Gibson ,who shot 100% from 3 in 16 - 17, shot more he’d have a higher %. It’s not true. The more you shoot the more tired you get. James Harden started this year shooting 40% from 3 and ended shooting 36% because he was tired. The Rockets missed 26 straight in game 7 because they were tired.
Tired, seriously? Is there a stat for tiredness? Just doing some maths and u see and btw, taj gibson is the most hilarious example that i have ever heard of, dude watch some basketball games, since when taj gibson is a shooter? One lucky full court shot did not prove that he is a good shooter.
Ur whole point is that I don’t watch games and just look at stats, but clearly James got tired and wore himself out, which is why he was so bad in the playoffs. They were tired so they choked so their doesn’t need to be a stat kid I’m done with you just don’t respind
Ok u win, i hope just win, that is mean that westbrook is good, that is mean our whole season of disappointent is fake yeahhhh, westbrook is so great that he leads us to 48 wins, 48
Oh come on, no need to swear when you are winning right, or aren't you??? XD btw, Bosh is badass tho, cool
I’m clearly winning kid you didn’t even argue against my opinion, oh yeah and, “or aren’t you”.
I love winners, that's why i disgust Westbrook, not as a person but as a basketball player. Westbrook, who certainly is a moron, just could not keep him ego down, imagine how many rings could he have if he knew how to share the ball with KD
First of all, you are like 6 at max “could not keep him ego down”. Westbrook had no ego until KD left, and he would have no rings either way because he clearly shared the ball with KD cause KD led in scoring 4 times.
Okay, Westbrook is so "no ego", why did every players leave Westbrook and suddenly became better??? Just look at Oladipo, Reggie, hell even KD
Kid I said, “had no ego until KD left” so your Oladipo point is invalid. Reggie Jackson got better because he became a starter, and KD didn’t even get better 28 - 25 point isn’t better just admit you’re wrong.
Wrong about what, the fact that Westbrook basketball won't result in winning games is clearly that everyone should already know by know, even a retard like you
Wrong about what? I never said playing basketball like he did in 2017 would win games but it was the right strategy for carrying a team like he did. Tell me what I’m wrong about.
U tell me what i'm wrong about, u didn't even make any point about westbrook, how can i tell what you're wrong about??
I misread your comment, but you’re wrong about the fact that WB makes players worse, he doesn’t, if he had played any other way in 2016-17 the Thunder would have one 30 games at max, he completely carried that team.
Of course, we need to rebuild the franchise, not keep it decent?? Westbrook did not help like at all, especially in the playoffs, there were games he just straight up trash
Well OKC is a title contender with PG so it worked out for them, a rebuild isn’t what they need now. Plus I really don’t want to argue with someone who can’t use the right “there” (their).
Work out? Work out?? Seriously, okc is in the western conference bro, wtf??
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KubFl458inw
That is a real NBA analyst it’s his job kid he’s smarter than a 6 year old like you.
Okay, let's see how the okc gonna surprise us yayy,
Being decent is okay if u believe that u gonna win right. I love okc durant not okc westbrook
Lol he said they have a chance he’s smarter than your retarded ass
Chance of what, not get swept by the Warriors? Warriors in 5? What's your point man, i would love that okc win but look at the reality, either lal or gsw gonna win the finals, and the season hasn't even started yet
Watch the fucking video kid the have a legit chance at winning just watch the vidoe
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Yeah, i did. Yay i am so optimistic that okc will win and blah blah blah, those're just theories, accomplished season career, catastrophic playoffs, westbrook is hurting the team, i am telling you
OKC has a chance, they could do it, if they do then you’ll probably feel really fucking retarded, don’t respind because I won’t respond to your response.
One year later, i hope i will retarded.
Don't worry, our man, westbrook will help me, he will let organization down so much that i will probably feel even more stupid
was literally thinking to myself TODAY, how westbrook needs a pd, doesnt matter if hes a ball hog or a stat padder, averaging a triple double for 2 seasons is out of this world
@KobeBetterThanEveryoneElse4Ever we gonna stop shitting on jordans 3 now?
also HOF deadeye and HOF limitless, idk about that...
I feel like players like WB and McGrady could have limitless range, because they shoot shots from super deep, but they should also have lower threes because they are pretty poor 3 point shooters.
in that case andre drummond should have hall of fame limitless range cuz he made some full court shots lol
You know what I mean, players who shot threes regularly. WB shot 34% in 16 17 and McGrady shot 34% for his career, and both, despite not being half as good of a shooter as him, fire from Curry range all the time.
westbrook has horrible shot iq, and tmac had a very strong scorer mentality, anyway, limitless range means that range doesn't matter to someone, he can knock down deep shots with ease, giving westbrook limitless range is as dumb as giving dr j a 96 3 point rating (considering he shot like 29% for his career)
Bricking bad deep 3s doesnt mean you should have limitless, in westbrook case
Buddy, my point was he shoots them from limitless, not that he makes them at a crazy rate. Maybe like a 75 shot 3 with limitless for WB and like a 80 shot three and limitless for T-Mac
The badge says the player makes deep 3s at a high rate, so no
Kid they gave the badge to McGrady, did he mark them at a high rate?
compared to westbrook yes
Lmao glad I didn’t say, “was he a good shooter compared to Westbrook” plus McGrady shot 34% from 3 for his career and WB shit 34.3% in 16-17 sooo yeah WB could have it neither were great shooters but both could have limitless.
lebron shot 34% from 3 for his career and has a limitless range
They gave it to him because he hit the game winner over Indiana, and they weren’t going to take it away on a better edition
mj hit a game winner from 3 over 2 pacers defenders
pistons***
Well people are going to definitely complain about the unrealism of an MJ with Limitless, but LeBron has made 2 a game his whole career, so it’s not that unrealistic, by the time his career is over I can guarantee LBJ will be a top 5, probably top 5 shooter ever with Klay, Miller, Ray, and Curry, just because of how many he shoots, I mean, Kobe and a McGrady are considered great all time shooters, but LeBron is better than both in that regard.
not really, lebron is shooting 34% from 3 thats under average, and i can tell you right away he aint gonna be top 5:
1 curry
2 ray
3 reggie miller
4 klay thompson
5 peja stojakovic
6 drazen petrovic
7 kevin durant
etc
(not really the most accurate order, but these guys are always going to be better than lebron
good 3 point shooters are shooters who make a great amount of 3s while keeping a good %, yes you can argue about mj being trash then. ok, you also have to consider mj barely taking 1 3pt per game for his career (again saying this, mj didnt settle for 3s, and at the beginning of his career, a lot of his shots were chalked up end of shotclock/quarter/game shots or desperation shots) again, yes michael jordan isnt the best 3 point shooter, nobody really says that he is
Idgaf if he shot a higher percentage Drazen will not be better than LBJ he didn’t live long enough, of everyone you could think of, Drazen. He made .5 less a game than LBJ. That’s a joke. Kerr shot more and had the highest percentage ever. Durant, yes, and Peja, yes but if McGrady gets limitless LBJ deserves it, he was a better shooter, plus putting Klay under Ray and Reggie is a fat L, Klay makes more per game than Ray for his career, and shoots a way higher percentage. I don’t think MJ was a trash shooter he was the best mid range shooter ever, but if was a good 3P shooter he would’ve been confident in his shot. LBJ shoots most of his 3s from the hash mark he deserves limitless more than McGrady who shot worse and made less, so why not complain about him instead.
i said that its not really an accurate order, but what you said is true, drazen was imo better, yeah i forgot about kerr, some other guys as well, why complain about mcgrady when westbrook has a limitless and deadeye smh
Cause he has no iq and shoots from Curry range
would rather have a bronze vince carter than him, speaking of that, that pd vc out yet?
Whoever's mass downvoting get tf outta here
2k needs to stop releasing content this game is dead
If the games so dead... why u checking this website bahahahs
Show 2 replies...ttps://2kmtcentral.com/18/lineups/574860/suggestions#comment-1282561 suggestions?
His face is my reaction to the Kawhi Leonard and Demar DeRozan Trade.
2k needa stop wit the bs. russells block should never be an 88 wtf. hes my favorite player but why is his free throw a 98 and his 3pt a 97. i wish 2k could talk to me personally i have a lot of questions that need to be answered.
It's funny, 2K made the ex-cover athlete of NBA Live the best card in the game. 5 out king!
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Show 56 replies...not even a top 10 player foh
name 10
In no particular order ima name 10.
Lebron
KD
Giannis
Kawhi
Harden
Steph
Anthony Davis
Boogie
CP3 (IMO he is the definition of a point which is why I’d take him over Russ)
Damian Lillard ( Underrated as hell. Man averaged 27 ppg the last two seasons and nobody really talk about him like that. Not to mention he got curry range and is very athletic, and then come ‘Dame Time’
Kyrie ( man is a walking bucket and has proven to be a better leader IMO)
Russ plays the game with a lot of heart and energy but at the end of the day he hasn’t proven to be a winner, just a good player who’s stat line gives him a little more credit than deserved.
You can’t say Kawhi when the last time Kawhi really played was when Russ won MVP and he didn’t play much at all this past year, and when he did he was disappointing.
Not gonna lie I was hesitant to put Kawhi in there since he didn’t play. I would still take him over Russ, but if you want you can take him off the list. Either way there would still be 10 players on my list
Ok there are still ten but you literally can’t take him over Russ. He played horribly when he did this year, and the last time he played Russ was unarguably better.
He wasn’t even healthy when he played. The last time we saw him healthy he was a top 5 player in the league
Not better than WB though, and most sports analysts would agree with me. 2017 WB 69 first place MVP votes. Kawhi 9 first place MVP votes.
I not saying he shouldn’t have won MVP in 2017. He carried a crap team to the playoffs. Honestly I’m more impressed with that than the triple double. It’s a lot easier to get triple doubles in the modern NBA. A lot of bigs are on the perimeter now shooting threes, thus Russ is really more so just out rebounding the other point guard. His high usage rate also contribute to his seemingly high stats. I’m looking now at the guys he has around him now like PG13 and Me7o, and the difficulties they are having playing with him. I understand Me7o’s old but Russ is just a one man show, and unless he changes he will never win. Believe me, I want him to win one because I like his energy and passion he plays with, but until he changes I’m taking Kawhi and everybody else I listed before him
Plus, just because CP3 is the definition of a point guard doesn’t make him better than Russ, Magic was 6’9” which isn’t the definition of a point guard, but he’s the greatest ever so....
Magic was a prototypical point guard not because of his height but because of his play style. He created for others and ran the offense much like CP3. That was what I meant by a true point guard. A lot of people consider Russ a 2-guard or just a guard, because he doesn’t create for others or make them better. And yes Ik Russ averaged over 10 assists, but that doesn’t make him a great passer. A lot of those passes are bail-outs when gets cornered or trapped in a double or triple team.
dame is first and out. Cp3 is injury prone and selfish with the money that he ask for. Giannis is also first and out. boogie can't win alone
Dame took a lesser talented team to a higher seed in the western conference and got first-team all-nba.
CP3 is better because he makes guys around him better. Look at Paul George. He was a great player before he played with Russ.
And Giannis is a rediculous talent that I don’t even need to justify. He is simply better.
I like Russ, and the way he plays the game. I wish more guys played with that intensity, but there is a lot guys I would take over him, such as all the guys I listed based on their talent and ability to make a team better.
Russ took the thunder to a 6 seed and got a game out of Houston with less than dame.
dame got a 3 seed and couldn't get a game out of a pelicans team with out cousins.
Paul is 32 played 58 games and put up 19,5,8. Russ is 29 played 80 games and put up 25,10,10 this is in the regular season.
in the playoffs Paul put up 21,6,6 Russ put up 29,8,12.
And Giannis i can't it really depends if you want a future or a now and since they don't play the same Position i can't make a Comparison
Look you can keep throwing stats in my face but they don’t actually tell the whole story.
I put Dame in there because he is an around great PG. He is athletic, is probably the only player in the league that can match Curry’s range, and is a good playmaker too.
CP3 is the best passer in the league, a better shooter, a better defender, and better team leader. He got the HOUSTON ROCKETS to play defense.
Giannis is even more athletically gifted than WB because of his rediculous size and length. He basically walk to the rim in two steps from the 3-pt line he so long, not to mention he is crazy fast and has crazy hops. Obviously Giannis will ultimately be better than WB in his prime, but I think he is better now too.
On a side note imagine if Giannis had KD’s shot, that would be crazy.
you know what i don't care anymore believe what you want but doesn't make you right and me not want to say anything back dose not mean you got me it just means i'm done. and if anything is said i will come back with all the fire to but you and the 2 first round and out players that you call better than a mvp is dumb
Russ got knocked out first round too, just sayin
3 times 10,17 and 18
Ok but that just shows that stats don’t mean anything. Ok yea Russ was getting his but as the point guard he is responsible for helping the other scorers on the team get into a Rythem. When he doesn’t they shot porrly and the ln everyone says “oh look at poor Russ, e has no help but he still carries this team.” No, he has help, he just doesn’t utilize it, and until he does he will never win anything but individual awards. Shout out to PG13 for not leaving him though.
curry
durant
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harden
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kawhi
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wall
cousins
Cousins can't win games. He slows down the tempo so much in offence that it gets difficult to score and gets beat in fastbreaks every time. Butler and Wall are not better than Russ and CP3, ath this stage of his career is not as good as him either
cousins can create for himself, grab real rebounds, and play good D
butler can play D and doesn't statpad
Wall is a legit playmaker and create for not just himself, but for others
cp3 is a point god, he is a real all around point guard and a much better teammate
Cousins is very good but there is a reason whi noone gave him an offer and the lakers didn't agree with him. His style of play makes his team play worse, Just look ath the Pelicans last year.
Butler is very good, but I don´t think he is at Westbrook's level of play and skill.
There is a reason why some of Wall teamates don't like him and it isn't only because he is a jerk, he holds the ball a lot and doesn't pass until he thinks it could finish in an asisit. Russ can drive, shoot and rebound better than him, while wall is a better defender.
CP3 is one of my favourites if not my favorite point guard of all time but he is getting up there in age and loosing his quickness.
I don't think they are bad because that would be crazy and they are some of my favourite players but I think that Russ and Giannis are better TODAY than the other 4
russ is a cancerous teammate, part of why kd left okc
he forces his teammates to let him grab uncontested rebounds and sometimes, he leaves his man open just for a chance to get more rebounds
Have you watched OKC games this season?
Or the one before, or the other one?
i have
I have watched almost every game for the last 3 seasons and he rarely lives a man open to go catch the rebound. Him grabbing rebounds is a tactiv Donnovan uses to generate fastbreacks (Russ is the 2nd fastest player in the league) and him getting the ball the fastest way mekes them one of the most dangerous teams in the league when talking about fastbreaks.
His teammates ussualy love him, Paul George stayed, Oladipo took him as a role model and worked his ass off in the offseason to become an all-star, Durant always talked the best about him and he left because he wanted to win easyer.
My point is that him grabbing rebounds doesn't make him a worse player, he grabs a ton of offensive rebounds (for a Guard) and the fact that Adams boxes out the oponent C for him to grab the board is a tactic, not his desire.
Now, with Shroder expect OKC to run a LOT of fast breaks and be the leading team in that category.
uh, theres numerous clips of adams and kanter walking away from an easy rebound, letting russ grab it, he pads his stats which is obvious
russ is genuinely not useful unless he has the ball, the people I mentioned don't have to have the ball in their hands to contribute to wins
You are not gonna change my opinion and neither am I so the best thing is to quit arguing. The only thing I recomend you is to make your own opinions and not to listen to those analitycs guys as if they were NBA gods. In the video it showed the stats that westbrook is bad at but it doesn't show the PER and so many of them where he is great at. If you know a lot about stats you can convince anybody that Jokic is the best Center in the league and we all know he isn't. My point is that Advanced stats can be good if you know how to use them.
Also you're probably an ignorant westbrook fan, you saw almost every statistic linked to his team that absolutely PROVES that he is a bitch statpadder that makes his teammates worse
Your main argument is always that he statpads, if he avreged 30 ppg 11 apg and 5 rpg you wouldn't have anything to say. You only repeat others opinions and it's clesr that you have never played this game.
In the video you showed me they talked about his inefficiency but Iverson was way worse and nobody was calling him a bum shotchucker or Brickverson. This is only hate from analitycs guys that don't know how much Russ afects the game.
They always repeat the same arguments:
*Every teammate that left him becomes better. Oladipo worked his ass off in the offseason. blaming Westbrook would be dissrespectfull to Dipo, Harden Played with Russ when he was very young and hadn't developed yet (he still was comming off the bench), KD joined the best team of all time (record wise) where they run a pace and space offence in witch they get an open shot in almost every posession, Paul George and Melo didn't work because they all played pretty much by themselves the season before and they were not used to play team basketball. There is a Reason why PG stayed.
*He "statpads": He grabs more rebounds that any other guard and he takes the deffencive rebounds that Adams wins with his boxout but, as I said before thats a Billy Donovan Tactic to get the ball to the pointguard faster. I play competitive basketball in Argentina and it's way better when our pointguard grabs the bord because we can start the fast break in seconds and score at will.
*He is inefficient: this is the same thing that stupid analytics guys blame on Iverson, the fact that he doesn't make 45% of his shots doesn't make him a bad scorer, they both played with a Bum ass team in their MVP season and they both carried it to the playoffs. If you have never played competitive basketball you don't know how tiring it is to carry a team on your back night in and night out.
In conclution, watch OCK games this season and come up with your own opinions without having to watch a youtuber reading stats to you.
Competitive basketball in argentina is different from professional basketball in the US
Iverson didn't carry LMFAO. He had a good team and was inefficient af, shooting under 40% in his MVP year.
There is actual footage, multiple pieces of footage of Steven Adams, Kanter going up for the rebound for Westbrook to steal it. Footage of Westbrook leaving his mans wide open just go grab the board if he misses. You can't deny stats and footage presented right to you. I believed Westbrook statpadded when watching OKC games, he's one of the worse mvp's of all time next to Iverson.
Name 4 Iverson teammates without looking it up. Snow and Mutombod don't count
mutombo and snow do count lmao
6th man of the year aaron mckie, tyrone hill
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lmao ur a dumbass
look at your name...
The only player in NBA History to average triple doubles in 2 consecutive years while being only one of the two in NBA history, despite playing in the modern era with minute restriction, more talent, and less flexibility to have a team run through one player. A player that is arguably the most all-around in history... get ur head out ur ass
3rd worst FG% out of every MVP in NBA history, 24th in the league in 2ndary assists meaning he forces assists, worst PASS/TOV ratio out of any player that averaged 10+ assists in NBA history
9 of his 10 reb a game are def reb, tons of footage suggests that his teammates box the other team out leaving westbrick with uncontested rebounds
Minute restriction doesn't mean anything when you have one of the biggest USG% in the NBA
Triple doubles mean nothing without context
Don't try to argue with me
Russell Westbrook had to power his terrible team through to the playoffs and this led to him taking questionable shots at times because him team was so ass.
Russ gets rebounds over him teammates to start breaks as he is the fastest player in the nba and this leads to easy points.
Again, he had to power him team through, the one of the only mvp is history that was 1st or 2nd seed.
Triple Doubles signify superior all-around play, and Westbrook averaged two whole seasons of them, more than anyone in nba history.
don't be a dumbass
He steals rebounds from his teammates, do you have eyes
Westbrick has help, in fact the whole bench has a better FG% than he himself
Triple doubles mean nothing without context
Don't try to argue with me
it is a tactical move to create fast efficient scores
Having a bettter fg% really doesn't mean that you're a better player in that case Air Jordan would be the best player in the league
don't be a bitch
chokebrook*
W
Dude lost to a rookie lmaoooooo
was it a one on one
People can't seem to remember that him and KD blew a 3-1 lead to the Warriors but nobody can forget how the Warriors did it to the Cavs. Not a fan of either of these teams but I'm just sayin
Because the Cavs/Warriors was in the finals
Show 10 replies...I know and it was an insane choke but Westbrook and KD are equally to blame not just KD like a lot of people like to say.
Remember, if the warriors didn’t choke, they would be a full-out dynasty
They are one, and in my opinion, without KD, it would still be a fun league. Cavs should've won in 2015 but Kyrie and Love were hurt and LeBron took them to 6 basically by himself, with two more all stars they would've gone back to back, and without KD in 2017 they really could've 3-peated.
They’re not because for it to be a dynasty, all main members of the team must have 3 or 3+ rings. KD has 2
I think the franchise that started Andre Roberson all 7 games of that series is to blame.
Okay think about this critically. Every star that's played with Westbrook hasn't been able to thrive at all, OIadipo, Harden, Melo, PG13. The only one talented enough to truly shine with Westbrook on the team was KD, imagine if the Thunder would have swapped Westbrook and Curry that season, they would have easily made it/won the finals.
Yeah true, but don’t blame Melo on Russ.
Did Westbrook choke or did Durant
Show 1 reply...When you find out DeMarcus Cousins is on the Warriors and there’s no chance for you now.
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If this isn't the top comment then the world is fucked up. Guarantee you a comment saying "fuck Westbrook" would get it instead.
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Finally WB, gets a PD. Players like Lonzo were getting PDs, while Harden and Kobe had 2. Time Westbrook gets his!
cuz they all are or will be better than him
Show 11 replies...Yeah ok bud “Lonzo is better than WB” fuck outta here.
Lmao Westbrook is overrated as shit
Lonzo isnt a statpadding high volume inefficient point guard that makes no one better so I think he will surpass him
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Lonzo Ball isn’t inefficient
36 fg%
30 3p%
Yeah no fucking way.
He doesnt set a NBA record high in USG% hogging the ball all the way to a first round exit
Lol WB practically had no teammates whereas harden had the top 2 sixth man candidates and Clint Capela. Plus it’s amazing that despite using the ball so much he still shot 5% higher from the field and 3 than Lonzo.
These guys dont exist?
Victor Oladipo
Steven Adams
Enes Kanter
Andre Robertson
hint there all better than him
Show 1 reply...When Virginia is better than UCLA
false
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31-3 > 21-12
It's SIMPLE
When uva lose to umbrella In the first round of March madness
What the fuck is umbrella?
It’s umbcs nicknam it rhyme with cinnderella but starts with an u lol
Well, I'll guess I'll give you credit. I've never seen anyone refer UMBC as umbrella so, but I can't give you credit for being 4 months late. Also, since this is kind of the first time you've brought that game up:
De'Andre Hunter: Best UVA player (OUT)
Kyle Guy: UVA's leading scorer (Nagging knee injury)
Isaiah Wilkins: UVA's best defensive player (Injured, came back and was never the same)
Jay Huff: UVA's Tallest player (OUT)
This was an injury depleted team that was emotionally and physically down, if they had a healthy team, they WOULD HAVE won it all
That would be the excuse lol
Injuries completely destroy teams, especially the way Virginia is set up...
So should they have been favored by 30 points then?
If they were completely healthy, Virginia would've probably won by 30 points. The injuries (Deandre Hunter specifically) would've created a domino effect. Virginia would've had a great offensive first half, the players would've been motivated, and UMBC would've felt like they didn't have a chance and therefore they wouldn't have been motivated in the second half. Believe me, I was at the game (right behind the UMBC bench), and when Virginia came out to do their warm-ups, they had a dear in the headlights look to them and it clearly transferred over to the actual game.
sup westbrick? i see you can finally shoot
Its a name u dumb fuck i'm not arguing with a damn 13 year old.
Lol wrong place bud.
Show 10 replies...YBN being a dumbass. Lmfao.
I think he said that shit because my account name is NashFan13 and I said Bosh was my favorite player in an argument we were having, I think he doesn’t believe me.p lo.
Me lol*
Ion think he does either.
Oml did he reply to another comment?
Worse defender and shooter than Malcom brogdon
Ohhhhh. Myyyy. Godddd. I never thought Russell Westbrook would get a card this OP
The face you make when you realize Dennis Schroder has taken your starting spot
HOW DARE YOU TALK BAD ABOUT RUSSELL WESTBROOK HE'S THE GREATEST POINT GUARD OF ALL TIME
-Every Westbrick fanboy
this overrated piece of garbage stat padder shouldnt get a pd. wheres the dame dolla pd?
fuck how does he even have a 3 ball above 80?
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This man once again put up double-digits in three category for the second straight year and what was crazy about it is that he average over 13 rebounds which he was ranked top 10 and 13 assist as well that lead him in the top 3 PER 48 Minutes.
Led of all of the players in the league in usage rating with 38.2 exact, top 5 in Player Impact as well as Assist Percentage
Yet his efficiency from the floor has dipped down a lot especially in his Free Throw percentage by a huge drop from 84 percent last season to 73 percent from that department this year.
Did I say that he's a statpadder or he's overrated?
hes both
Show 1 reply...I would neither use of these words because I feel like overrated is been overused in any topic ever and calling him a statpadder is just so fragile to describe him. The perfect way to characterize Russell Westbrook is that he's one of most inefficient superstar ever that can put up gigantic stats for you
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Stop playing the game.
Show 3 replies...Why?
Because its dead and full of cheasers, they back off the game with glitches and it counts as a loss. + This game was trash since day 1 with the bumpsteals, the layups and the heavily contested 3s that go in at a higher rate than lightly contested layups. Every card gets 86 ball control and a deadly 3 point shit and If you dont play five out it´s very hard to compete.
PD: I would appreciate if you didn't downvote me thx
My bad, man. I thought that you want to say that in bad way, like: stop playing the game because im better than you and i would kick you in supemax xD
But that what you wrote in your second reply is so true man, this game is shit and full of cheesers but that dosent mind that we should stop playing it :D
P.S. I gave you upwote :D
What has he ever done in the playoffs? He consistently underperforms every year....
What did McGrady ever do in the playoffs to get a PD? Literally nothing but I don’t see you complaining on there.
Show 11 replies...Ummmm Tracy scored 13 points in 35 seconds. And ended up beating the spurs. So wheres the excuse now?
That wasn’t in the playoffs bud
Lol don’t act like a smartass when you don’t even know what happened a Spurs won the chip that year gtfo
Don't u act like a dumbass whenever u bandwagon into a raptors fan because of kawhi.
Who tf said I’m a raps fan. Bosh is my favorite player but idgaf about the raptors plus your English is sad.
Says the one that has Nashfan in his name
How does being a fan of Nash make me a Raps fan? If you’re talking about the English well then fucking notice you can’t have spaces in your username.
Lol plus I’m not listening to a kid who thinks Donovan Mitchell is better than Harden
Donovan Mitchell is better than harden
what’s the point of having a pd westbrook when he doesn’t deserve it
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Show 29 replies...Hes the MVP and averaged a triple double twice. What else do u want from him. Maybe hes a stat padder, but so was AI and no one was complaining about him getting a PD.
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Plus people saying triple doubles don’t help you win are sort of wrong considering OKC won like 80% of the games Russ had a triple double in
I’d disagree with that point specifically. 10 of the 20 TDs he got in the regular season were against bad, non-playoff teams. And, although he did beat the Jazz twice while getting a TD in the regular season, they eventually still lost to them in the playoffs. Also, in games 2 & 3 against the Jazz, he was one rebound (G2) and one assist away (G3) from a TD. Would those extra stats REALLY have made a huge difference in those games? Probably not, but I can’t say.
Also, I think we need to look at the Thunder’s success as a whole while Westbrook averages a TD. They only won a single game more (48-34) than last year, despite getting PG and Melo in the offseason. Is Melo washed? Yes. Did PG not show up sometimes? Yes. Would Roberson helping their defense made a difference? Definitely. But they shouldn’t have only won a single game more than last season, despite Westbrook averaging a TD and getting two All-stars on your team.
lol NBA talent is NBA talent. There's really no such thing as a bad NBA player if you really think about it.
When people say a player is bad its usually referring to bad relative to other NBA players aka the stars and superstars cause obviously they are better than us there's a reason why we are the ones talking about them not the ones being talked about
Well, there are "bad" players that are they way they are because of their situation. In a pickup game Roberson could go head to head with someone at star level.
On the reallllll
this shit got 24 upvotes and downvotes lmao
Doesn’t deserve it? Won MVP last year and carried a trash OKC squad. And had a PD worthy game against the Jazz this year. One of the most popular players in the league, and 2K needs to sell VC somehow.
are you dumb? westbrook is easily the most all around player in the league, educate yourself!
more all around then lebron?
duh look at the numbers
basketball is a game, not a statistic thankfully
stats dont lie
you dont make sense bro, averaging a triple double is nice but losing isnt, lebron goes to the finals every year but russell is a better all around player?
what? bill russell isnt that good and lebron is obviously way better
when were we ever talking about bill russell bro? keep up
lebron is a stat padder. case closed.
Lmfao you're a Westbrook fan
james harden and russell westbrook are stat padders bro wth. lebron is better than both of them if he wanted to average a triple double he could. he dont shoot 30 shots like they both do to average 25+
It’s game with has statistics and if you ignore those stats you’re an idiot, it shows how much of an impact you have when youre on the court.
stats dont make you better than somebody bro wth, if that were true ben simmons, james harden and russell westbrook would be the best players of all time. players like kyrie and curry win, their games dont translate to stats, you need to learn basketball youre prolly a young bull
He is a ball hog and makes his teammates worse
you cant be all around if you dont play defense
hes a good defender because hes fast and can keep up with other players
He has skill on defense but he stopped using it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4O82XCpyEc
excepts he plays no defense...