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    Still haven't been proven wrong lmao

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    KOBE is second best SG of all time 5 time champion 1 time mvp 15 time allstar this man has the greatest workethic of all time he defined the way the shooting guard position is played today

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    greatest work ethic but couldn't work his way to shoot efficiently or help his teammates/team out w/o having to be the focal point 24/7

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    godamnit lok U proved me wrong
    now I gotta do somethin to u ;)

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    KD'S DOWN, AS MUCH AS I LOVE KD, I DONT LIKE THE WARRIORS AND NOW HARDEN'S GOT A CHANCE, HOPE YOU DUMBFUCKS HOW DOWNED THIS NOW REALIZE

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    HOPE YOU DUMBFUCKS HOW DOWNED THIS NOW REALIZE
    Calls us dumb then says how instead of who

    1

    LMAO WWWWWW

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    You literally just typed the same thing, with the same mistake?

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    He was saying what you said

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    No quotations, guess typos effected us both?

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    Yeah guess so

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    And another choke on Harden's resume. Calling him a choke artist isn't even funny anymore... Curry was playing like dogshit before heating up, they were at home without having to face KD/Cousins....

    The difference between Kobe and Harden is as big as the one between Lebron and PG13...

    Please stop this trolling ;)

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    Choke? lmao

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    Choke? Harden had 35 points, if anything credit should go to Curry/Klay for their incredible performances in Games 5 and 6

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    Lol was nowhere what a choke is. Def didnt show all 35 tho, a lot of free throws, flops

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    he was missing most of his free throws? did you even watch the game?

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    Crazy how accurate this lineup still is

    -7

    Here we are, Harden raping the Jazz in the playoffs and it all feels so good as the Warriors team falls apart ever so slightly with the DMC injury... I told ya'll Harden was better

    -9

    Harden is better than Kobe no matter how you look at it. Harden came in as a bench player similar to Kobe, but Harden won 6moty, while Kobe was carried by Shaq.

    Harden is currently the reigning MVP and is on track for another MVP as he wills the Rockets to win after win averaging 41 ppg over 17 games. Kobe is nothing without Shaq/Pau/Phil Jackson, deal with it.

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    I respect you're opinion and all, but i can't help but to think this is a troll. You know, considering the fact that no superstar wins without a co-star, except for Hakeem for a season because nobody except for Malone had a co-star in 94. And Kobe wasn't a 6th man because he was really good really fast, especially in comparison to harden who admittedly was held back by how good the thunder was considering the fact that he was avg. 25 ppg in his first season in houston IM GETTING DISTRACTED. Point is Harden hasn't proven anything in the post season and he won't do anything without cp3 and capela

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    Finally someone that knows he truth. In 62 playoff games with Houston(big ample size), Harden has shot 41% and 31% from 3 on 20 shots a game.. Along with almost 5 Turnovers. Those are bad Allen Iverson numbers.

    Since these kids can only see what is close in time to them, lets take them back to last year when Houston had a championship squad with a bunch of great 3 and D guy, a great glass cleaner, a secondary HOF ball handler and The Beard. Guess what? When CP3 got down, they crumbled and Harden couldnt hit a shot to save his life being up 3-2. Shot 10/24 with 9 turnovers in game 6 and 12/29 in game 7.. Talk about a superstar lol

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    @2kmtcentral2016 Yeah, i think Houston would have won if CP3 was healthy, but Harden is a superstar and isn't that far behind Kobe. If he get a ring then its a discussion. Once again, nobody wins without a co-star unless things change drastically. (Like Jordan randomly retiring)

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    I think he is quite far away from Kobe actually. He doesn't play defense, takes a ton of shots (not making them at a high rate) and goes cold at the worst moments.

    He will be a HOF and one of the best offensive weapon the league has ever seen but basketball isn't just about that. He needs to win 2-3 rings being the best player on his team to get to Kobe's level imo

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    Kobe has 2 rings as the best so

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    Kobe has won 0 playoff series without a hall of fame big man. Hope this helps

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    And how many series' have Harden won without a HOF teammate? (Durant, Howard, Paul etc)

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    He lost playoff series with HOF big men as well lmao

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    When has Harden had a co-star during his superstardom? Kobe proved nothing on his own, he only won when he had Shaq/Pau cleaning the glass and making up for his mistakes. Harden's taken his team into his own hands as a sole offensive player and wills them to wins. Kobe willed his team to the lottery 4 times, and out of the playoffs in the first round 3 times. Once Shaq/Pau were on board he was actually capable of doing something come playoff time.

    As well, I bet if you gave Harden a C with half a brain (looking at you Dwight) then he could do some serious damage too. Harden's best team was last year and still his 2nd best offensive player was a watered down CP3 that is constantly battling injury

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    When it comes to Harden having a C, i have 2 points.

    1. Dwight was never really the same after the back injury so it's not fair to blame it on Dwight.

    2. Wouldn't giving Harden a Hof center in his prime (Which would then let him do some serious damage, like you said) then cause him to be in the same boat as Kobe. The narrative could easily be " He couldn't do anything without a Hof center "? Sure he did a lot last season, and he's doing a lot this season, but his teams were good. Kobe never needed his second option to be a big man, but that's what he got. Just like Harden doesn't need to have a big man as a second option, and hey, he's in a pretty good situation right now. CP3 ain't helping at all tho.

    And what the hell has Harden "Willed" his team to win on his own again? Oh, a bunch of playoff exits. He hasn't done anything on his own come playoff time, just like Kobe didn't.

    And yes, i think Dwight Howard is a Hof center, just not by the time he got to Houston.

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    Kobe didn't do anything without having a superstar big man. He did need his 2nd star to be a big so they could clean the glass for all of his frequent misses, and make high percentage shots to counteract his poor shot selection.

    Harden on the other hand just shoots the 3 at an extremely high rate which takes his FG% down a few notches, but otherwise he gets to the line and puts players in foul trouble. And no, Harden wouldn't be in the same boat as Kobe since he'd play more as a playmaker alongside his 2nd star rather than forcing them to just be a glass cleaner.

    I agree Dwight wasn't at an HOF level on Houston, only for games at a time atleast

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    Kobe never forced anybody to be a glass cleaner. You're just using offensive rebounds as an excuse. The rest of what you said are predictions or assumptions. Can you provide any other reason as to why Harden is better then Kobe other then predicting what WOULD happen?

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    Too early in his career for now (although he's been balling for a while), until he gets a superstar partner we won't see playoff success, but pound for pound I'd take Harden over Kobe.

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    I respect your opinion as well, but Kobe's such a mainstream choice b/c of all his 'accolades'. I'd take current Harden over prime Kobe anyday personally

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    dont down him its his opinion, im not saying i agree but thats him

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    agreed

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    people hate the truth tho, I'm just the messenger

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    respect your opinion, but rn im still kobe. also another thing you could say is that Kobe kind of didnt deserve his only MVP because CP3 was clearly the better player that season.

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    Kobe kinda deserved 2 others though, Steve Nash robbed him, though he also has a great season.

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    yeah, i agree with your steve nash mvp shouldve been kobe. So, because Steve Nash robbed kobe, then kobe robbed cp3, and now cp3 doesnt have a ring. COLLUSION

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    He had 1 year with a good case for MVP, 2008, and he won it.

    Clearly not in 05.
    Clearly not in 06. (47 wins, up against Nash/Lebron/Dirk, all of whom played exceptional ball, on better teams, while being arguably as good/better than Kobe)

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    that year cp3 should have won it. compare cp3 2008 and kobe 2008

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    also, maybe in 05

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    Nash didnt rob him at all. Nash deserved it. Off u go

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    nash kinda did not as bad as kobe robbed cp3 but still kobes stats are arguably better

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    Mvp was a never award based on stats. The award is almost always given to the best player on a top seed. Kobe was the 7th seed. He didn't deserve it.

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    yeah he didnt lead his team to success while harden has led his team to success multiple years including years with struggling dwight howard

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    I don't understand this. If you don't take team success into account, then you're not talking about the MVP, which has historically used team success as a priority. You're talking about the best player in the league, which is an entirely different question.

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    Russell Westbrook begs to disagree

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    Westbrook did something that wasnt done for 55 years tho. And i still think Harden shouldve won it over him

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    Harden should be back-to-back, Westbrook MVP was out of pity

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    harden shoots 15 free throws a game

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    Kobe wins 15 games a season

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    The lakers sucked in 16

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    Lakers sucked from '04-'08 then '11-'18

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    Not a valid argument but ok

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    Kobe's not a valid GOAT but ok

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    WDYM

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    he means what he said

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    James Harden > Kobe 'Bean' Bryant no question

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    Also Kobe wasn't carried, they both had a good value to that team. Kobe carried two other rosters to championships, so that argument isn't valid.

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    Exactly why Kobe<Harden

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    You could argue Harden is also nothing without D'Antoni/Capela/Paul.

    The other night without Capela he had 57pts, ok. But only 2ast. 2! That's showing that teamwork is not his greatest value.

    Kobe put up less points, but more assists in his 30+ games.

    Harden has no rings, not even a finals appearance.

    Kobe has 5 rings, 7 finals appearances.

    Both take dumb shots, but whatever.

    Right now, Kobe's better. Harden has time to catch up, but not at the moment yet is he at the same level.

    P.S, wouldn't consider Pau a superstar, an all-star/star yes, but not SUPER-star. Just my opinion though.

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    Kobe had Phil Jackson, Shaq, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Eddie Jones.... just to name a few

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    wellll you cant say he is just good with cp3 and capela cause he was good without them and was putting up MVP numbers still. D'antoni is also arguable because he was really good on the thunder he just never got the minutes

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    That;s not what I'm saying. He was good before, but now he's superstar level, and getting a lot of assists off of Capela. I just sazid CP3 because I felt like matching the coach and 2 players that he said lol

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    Harden was a MVP candidate before either of these guys were on the rockets.

    Wow. One game? He averages nearly 9 assists a game.

    Irrelevant

    He has a finals appearance.

    Kobe had Shaq. Harden didnt.

    Off u go

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    Ok L for the finals appearnce on my part. Forgot about the thunder.

    Kobe was still winning after Shaq left too.

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    Because he had simply the best etam in the league lol. If Kobe played against the warriors like harden has to hed never win anything. I know this is hypothetical but Kobe was nothing special in the playoffs either. His stats are as good/worse than Hardens..

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    Fair.
    Kobe did have his best years in a different time than Harden, and they're too different players in playstyle too. Kobe was more of a mid-range/inside scorer. Harden's more of a perimeter scorer, which is why he scores so many points, off of 3's.

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    I give the edge to Harden. More efficient, and a better playmaker.

    Kobe was incredible but lacked efficiency and notoriously ball hogged. Granted, his defense was better than Harden's.

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    Kobe has 6306 career assists. Had 17 in a single game, ball hog? I don't think so. Only reason people call him that is because he wouldn't pass in stupid situations, he wasn't thinking in those moments, clearly, but he did pass a lot, his passes just went unrecognised.

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    Just dropped 57 on the grizzlies head

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    Indeed he did, could've hit 60 but Mike don't care for accolades

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    James Harden is NOT better than Kobe Bryant {I'm Just Saying!!!}!!!

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    You don't watch James Harden often enough, or you're too enamored with Kobe's inflated numbers

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    Late

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    Never late when Kobetards still exist

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    Harden rapes defenses Kobe rapes women. Its not hard to understand

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    Harden just grit and grinded his way to 57. Kobe just grinded women

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    Harden gets calls on the court, Kobe gets called to court

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    That was pure Guilty

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    Jesus wtf is wrong with you lmao

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    Im not wrong mate hth

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    Kobe is the GOAT

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    We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there. People on this site hate Kobe Bryant. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime. Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 14 or 15 years old. That means you only got into basketball in the last couple years. So you never watched Mamba in his prime. And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing box scores. But here's the thing: basketball isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "true shooting percentage" or "win shares" I know they know nothing about basketball. Kobe's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the second greatest SG ever, and one of the 5 best players to ever play the game. So when I hear somebody say that LeBron James is better than Kobe Bryant, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Kobe in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched basketball for a significant amount of time, so I know that Kobe is better. You might be jealous of Kobe's five rings, or jealous of his status as the greatest scorer in NBA history, or whatever. Unless you're a Bulls fan who watched basketball in the 90s, or a Lakers fan who watched basketball in the 2000s, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win basketball looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This dead site would make you think that Kobe isn't even a top 100 player ever. So don't go spouting BS about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like James Harden The Best Player in the World™, but leave the Kobe talk to the adults. Fair?

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    tl:dr, but i'm 19 fucking years old and James Harden is a better individual and player than Kobe

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    people with iq over 70 can read the entire thing

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    people with the same iq can recognize Kobe is ass and Harden is not

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    kobe is not bad what do you mean

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    Hes worse than harden

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    you talking career or prime

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    Harden in his prime rn and still got half a career to play, so u decide

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    prime kobe averaged 35.4 ppg with not as good teammates as harden in 05-06 season without shaq and less tov

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    and James Harden is averaging more ppg, with less minutes, on an injury-riddled team that he carried to a 4th seed, and won more games than Kobe did that year, as well he's slated to win the MVP award. As well, Harden is shooting only .008% worse than Kobe did, better from 3, and is only attempting 1 more FT per game than Kobe did. As well Harden has a higher PER, a better BPM, and is a better defender statistically than Kobe ever was aside from an injury season during the 1999-2000 season. Also has a higher VORP, WS/48, and only .1 less winshares due to Kobe playing 4 more mins than Harden has

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    wow 4 more minutes that a huge difference
    that injury riddled team is still better than having Smush Parker running the point and Kwame Brown down low and they still made the playoffs

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    LOK what drugs u been takin

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    Niggas dont watch the NBA I guess, ya'll just romanticize whoever in the media it's like saying LBJ is the best player in the NBA while KD lives and breathes

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    naw LeBron is 5th Giannis is first Harden 2nd KD third

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    nigga are you retarded Giannis is not first lmao

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    heheheh u wildin

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    nigga stfu you know nothing about basketball and you act like you're cool because your black. nigga ur 9 years old arguing with a college kid who actually watched an NBA game this season shut yo dumb ass chimpanzee looking head ass up before I come to your house and snatch you out that mofo and beat you up right on the fucking concrete.

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    nigga im 14 tf and ive been within basketball since 2009

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    so you've been watching basketball since you were 4? shut yo dumb ass up you're so fucking annoying an no one likes you and you've already admitted to being 12

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    shit ur mean

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    nigga when have I said I was 12 tf
    and bruv I got some folks who like this

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    KD is the best player in the NBA regardless of what you think, the man can body your favorite player as soon as he steps into the half court w/ ease. He plays with no visible passion and he still manages to murder, the fact that he can still score 25+ alongside Curry, Klay and for a moment DMC is amazing

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    matter of fact I agree Giannis is rlly his only grt player on his team while kd has curry and klay 2 22ppg scorers

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    Giannis has Middleton whose very underrated, but they have a great team all around him, much better and all around than the Warriors rn who are mostly top heavy and rely on KD and Curry's production which is always guaranteed

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    ye I believe Giannis and Middleton will have a curry and kd realationship in the future becoming 25ppg scorers

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    Giannis isn’t first atm but he will be in a few years

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    Looking at the username he’s not biased at all

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    im really not, harden is a great player but to compare him to kobe is ridiculous

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    Fr Kobe was nothing more than Shaqs fucking minion

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    lmao 13 downs. next lineup: Kawhi > Kobe

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    im winning this argument so far

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    how is this team a 68 overall

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    You love to see no kobtards here

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    they came out of dirt

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    they all watched Harden play apparently

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    Hard to compare both of them as they are quite different animals. I would rather take Kobe's defense and will to win than Harden's playmaking. Let's wait 3-4 more years to see where Harden ends up. He is still a notorious playoff chocker and hasn't won anything except for 1 MVP trophy in 10 seasons

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    Kobe won 1 MVP in 20 seasons, and only won rings when accompanied by a superstar big man to take the pressure off him. Ever since Harden left the Thunder and embraced the superstar role, he hasn't had any player like that join him, CP3 is garbage at this age and too injury prone to be reliable, Eric Gordon's a great scorer but mostly for spot-up situations, and as a little energy jolt off the bench, and then Capela's a rebound machine and plays a large defensive role, but his offensive skillset is lacking

    Harden's currently leading his team during a 17 game stretch where he's lost Eric Gordon, Chris Paul, and most recently Clint Capela to injury, the 3 most valuable players to his team The rockets are 13-4 during this stretch

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    The argument that Kobe needed help to win can be used with literally every superstar. Jordan had Pippen, Kareem had Magic, Shaq had Kobe/Wade and so on.

    You are too caught up in the moment. This streak is nice but remember in 2007 when Kobe scored 50+ like 8 times in a month? It never amounts to everything. Championships on the other end are one of the most important criterias to judge someones career. Harden still has time but Kobe's 5 rings and 7 Finals appearances will be very hard to catch up.
    Also for Harden to take over Kobe's spot as arguably a top 10 player of all time, it will require a lot of hardware. Fair or not that's how it goes

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    We'll see I'm still taking Harden to lead my team over Kobe

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    Based on which postseason accomplishments? He chocked in the 1st round, WCF and Finals....

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    Went to the Finals as a role player, he choked a WCF lead to arguably the most consistent postseason team in history, and 1st round happens even MJ lost in the 1st round

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    MJ didn't choke, he went up against much better competition. Harden was OKC's 3rd offensive option and shit the bed against Miami's backups. He chocked too many times to be considered a leader and still hasn't won anything in 10 years. Kobe still went 2/3 without Shaq and won 2 Finals MVP (although his second should have been shared with Pau)

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    Harden went against better comp too? The west has been stacked for years. He played against a well-versed veteran unit at Miami, versus LBJ/Wade/Bosh as well as defensive players such as Chalmers/Anderson/Battier/Haslem?

    He choked against a great defensive Spurs team as well.

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    I meant that MJ's teams were far worse than the Pistons, Celtics that he versed.

    Harden has been a defensive liability for years, chocked many times (doesn't really matter against whom because every playoff team is somewhat fearsome). If he was this transcendental player that you claim him to be, he would have a better resume than the one he currently owns. Great players defeat great opposition

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    What great offensive piece has he had on his teams back then aside from himself?

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    Durant, Westbrook, CP3, Dwight, Eric Gordon and a few others that fitted best his iso heavy playstyle. Apart from Shaq and Pau who did Kobe have that could consistently carry the load offensively? No one

    But we are moving away from your premise. How is Harden better than Kobe when he has achieved nothing remarkable and unless he wins 2-3 chips, won't be considered a top 15 player all time?

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    Harden is a better player than him. Maybe not better career, but better player. Harden's basketball IQ makes the difference. He really knows how to exploit the game. Prioritizes threes, layups and free throws over mid-range shots as they're more efficient. Has a crazy good knack for drawing fouls, using fakes, throwing his hands up on drives or rip-throughs. He's very clearly a better playmaker as well.

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    Having a better career at this level of excellence means being the better player (except for injuries).
    Kobe is by far a better player than Harden because he played BOTH ENDS of the floor at an elite level, is much stronger mentally, worked harder at his craft, was more athletic, accomplished more and was 100x more clutch. Harden is just a better playmaker and flopper/cheater to get his 10 FTs per game

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    Did u just compare Shaq or Pau to ancient CP3 and Eric Gordon lmao

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    What about Durant and Westbrook? Just replied that Harden also played with great players

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    He was on the bench then and wasn't as good, just as Kobe started on the bench. Only difference was Harden won 6moty

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    He still is a choke artist and hasn't won anything in 6 years with Houston averaging ridiculously bad % in the playoffs. The "Kobe had better teamates" argument is not valid since basically every superstar needed a co-star in order to win. Harden had good/great teamates around him too and only produced humiliating playoff exits

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    Kobe fans be like

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    Dwight literally only pulled layups and dunks, and was unwilling to buy into a pick-n-roll scheme where he wasn't the #1 target. He was also injured for half a year, and battled minor injuries throughout his tenure.
    Eric Gordon is of recent, and he's been a spark plug off the bench
    Durant and Westbrook was when he was a bench player
    Cp3 is literally the worst he's ever been?

    Kobe only won with Shaq and Pau suprising no?
    Kobe also played with Dwight, Karl Malone, Nash, Bynum, Odom, Van Exel, and Eddie Jones

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    I just realised that Dwight played with both lol

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    Kobe didn't help Dwight tho, he made him worse and bursted his self-confidence since he's a self-conceited rapist, while Harden tried to help Howard come back to prominence

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    Fuck Dwight, got SVG fired than just dipped. At least we won the trade now because Vucevic about to be an all star

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    I mean... SVG's out of a job rn if u want him back lmao

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    True I'd rather have Thanos coach but SVG would have been better than that bald raisin Jacque Vaughn

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    agreeable Jacque still fairly new to being a head coach tho right? I know he's been an assistant for a while

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    Naw he was an assistant coach for a few different teams than led the Magic to trashness.














    Worst part was the GM was even worse, making stupid ass trades and drafting bums or the occasional good player that we just trade away (Looks and oladipo and cries)

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    Don't forget Tobias!

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    Trust me I haven't =(

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    Vuce developed nicely, but Bamba looks useless now

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    He just need to put his hands up and use the full potential of his wingspan. He has the potential to be the best shot blocker of all time because of his length, height, and vertical (compared to other big men).

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    yeah but im saying Magic not gonna give him PT

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    Wait im stoopid whats a PT

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    Playing Time lol

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    Oh ok when Vuc gets traded he's starting (or Birch)

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    Vuc won't get traded if he makes all star, Magic would look stupid, and fans would be upset

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    It depends who we get because the plan wasn’t to make the playoffs, it was to rebuild (for real this time) and not to make the playoffs. Rebuilding is still our priority. I rather Vucevic get traded AS LONG AS we get a good, young, starting PG that’s aggressive. The fans would be upset but would understand because we need a pg and are going for the future. The magic wouldn’t look stupid imo because we got what we needed in return for a very good player that’s overshadowing the future

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    Yo what did u reply to my comment on the Giannis card

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    'thank u sir'

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    btw did he delete cuz he was salty

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    He must've lmao

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    Nash, Malone and Rice were washed up. Dwight was the same as Harden had. Bynum and Odom were good but not great players. Harden plays one end of the floor, chocks when the lights are on. I don't know how he is better honestly

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    Washed up? He averaged 16-4-2 on 43-38-87 splits. Thats great numbers.

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    Rice was averaging 15+ both seasons, Malone averaged 20 points. Dwight averaged a bit less in a lesser role. Bynum had a great showing with good athleticism for a spell, and Odom was a consistent 6moty candidate? Nash is the only one who was washed up but he still supplied court vision in a player-coach role

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    Harden still played 3 years with Durant/Westbrook and when he "selfishly" decided to carry a franchise and not give a F about defense, he became an offensive beast that struggles at the worste possible time.. Kobe had help like any other superstar, that's not even your first point. In a vacuum I would take Kobe's dedication, tenacity, Offensive AND Defensive dominance over Harden's court vision and rule bending playstyle that leads to disappointing results

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    Defensive dominance? That's a myth. He's one of the most overrated defenders ever; if not the most overrated. His team defensive impact was abysmal. He was even negative in terms of team impact at some points. Harden is a better offensive player. Harden is the better shooter, scorer, ball handler, passer, gets to the line more, better 1 on 1. The only thing I can think of that Kobe is better at is posting up, mid range too I guess. He played great versus the Warriors up to game 7 in a game that was insanely rigged. And he can't control Ariza bricking 10 threes in a row either.

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    So because of one stat all of those accolades mean nothing? What about eye test? Peers recognition? You can manipulate stats to make any argument valid. Zach Lowe made a great article in 2016 showing that the Spurs were better defensively with Kawhi on the bench but no one would argue that he still was a DPOY candidate. The fact is that Kobe got those awards, titles and accomplishmets working like a maniac, not smth Harden can ever pretend getting

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    Have you ever watched prime Kobe play to split up such non sense?? He was 9 times All defensive first team and 3 times 2nd. Most for any guard in history!!! Kobe was more clutch, a better competitor, worked harder at his craft, played both ends at an elite level and won 5 NBA Championships. Call me back when Harden gets even half of Kobe's résumé

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    http://asubstituteforwar.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/def20apm0311.jpg

    Kobe routine scores as a defender of average impact by these metrics, despite being a lock to get the All-Defensive accolades every year. Something ain't right.

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    He didn't play defense because he was the team's offense. He had to pick his battles, players like Kobe got luxurious teams their whole career and could do whatever they wanted on the court. Harden actually has to carry a bum squad currently which is starting Danuel House who's a G-league player and they're currently winning games. And again, he played 3 years as a bench player before becoming a full-time star in Houston.

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    So it is Kobe's fault that he had slightly better teams? He still accomplished wayyy more and defense is about effort. Harden was never interested about it and that is part of why it led his teams to early exists or disappointing playoff runs. When you play just one end and can't make a shot to save your life, it is gonna be hard for you to win

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    Harden obviously gives a damn when he goes into every game fully expecting to be the team's #1,#2, and #3 option, without complaining that his teammates need to be better. He's carrying his squad with emphatic showings one after another, plz don't try to demean Harden rn. He's doing more for Houston and his team than Kobe ever did, regardless of banners that Kobe's teammates earned

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    He is doing this in the REGULAR season. I could care less if he scores 40 every game till the playoffs. That still means nothing.

    99-00 : 21/4/4/1,5/1,5
    00-01 : 29/7/6/1,6/1
    01-02 : 26/6/4/1,4/1
    08-09 : 30/5/5/1.7/1
    09-10 : 29/6/5/1,3/0,7

    Those are the averages in the years Kobe won his titles..
    Somehow it's his teammates that earned them for him smh...
    Your hate is ridiculous at this point. I can get that you don't like his mentality or chucker style at times but please don't insinuate that he wasn't an insane player (on both ends of the floor, which requires a level of mental strength that Harden will never have).

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    During those first 3 rings Shaq averaged
    99-00: 30.7/15.4/3.1/0.6/2.4 on 56.6% shooting
    00-01: 30.1/15.4/3.2/0.4/2.4 on 55.5% shooting
    01-02: 28.5/12.6/2.8/0.5/2.5 on 52.9% shooting
    He won finals MVP every series
    Then with Pau Gasol, he averaged:
    08-09: 18.3/10.8/2.5/0.8/2.0 on 58% shooting
    09-10: 19.6/11.1/3.5/0.4/2.1 on 53.9% shooting
    along with having a great head coach in Phil Jackson, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, a seasoned vet in Derek Fisher, the occasional athletic freak in Shannon Brown, and a good defender in MWP to cover Kobe's mistakes

    Don't forget Kobe's shooting percentages in which shot 44.7% shooting, taking over 20 shots a game from 99-02, while playing 42 minutes a night
    also 45.7% shooting, taking around 22 shots a game from 09-11, while playing near 41 minutes. Most of Kobe's stats are inflated due to his immense usage rate, and demanding of the ball. Not to mention he typically played the most minutes during those series

    Kobe did well winning games, but only when he had a team, whereas Harden's capable of winning games with G-leaguers starting with him.

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    What Shaq's stats have to do with this? To prove that Kobe had help winning those 3 rings? Yes, like every other all time great (told you this like 3 times already), just like Shaq probably wouldn't have won those without Kobe. They are the greatest 1-2 punch in history for a reason.

    1) Shooting 46% for a SG is actually quite good and much better than Harden's horrific % over 62 playoff games with Houston
    2) Of course Kobe's usage rate is high, like every offensive superstar in league history.
    3) Harden is winning games in the REGULAR SEASON... Call me back when he does this in the playoffs and doesn't wet the bed like he always does.
    4) I still don't get why you hate Kobe this much? Trolling is over now

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    L, You're stating the same facts and saying every winner has had help, and Harden has had none. Harden still has plenty of time to prove he can win in the playoffs, and I'd much rather take Harden in the regular season over Kobe.

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    It is because you came back with the same thought process.

    Glad to know that you changed your perspective about Harden and will take him over Kobe just in the meaningless regular season ;)

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    I'd take Harden regardless, Kobe's a shot chuckin bum

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    Because he has a long black beard?

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    Also forgot Glen Rice for Kobe

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    The thing that makes this debate hard is that kobe is already retired and harden not, if we look to the things that jump out a lot from the 2 players would be:
    Kobe´s loyalty: He stayed 20 years in the same team and he never left, someting that Harden didn´t own leaving the Thunder in a trade( that you can argue that it wasn´t his intention, and I agree) with 3 years in the league.
    Harden´s grind: he came to the NBA as a good prospect and not a lot of people saw the potential GOAT that he could be,while Kobe was one of the most promising prospect of his class. Harden has patented his own euro-step and his ability to slash and get fouls is incredible, when Harden is retired, we can look back and see what jorney and legacy was bigger.

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    Loyalty's overrated, also Kobe requested to be traded several times and would've if the Lakers accepted any offers coming their way.

    This post is mostly for shits and giggles to get people's panties twisted but offensively Harden is proving he's the far more valuable player, and actually win games by having a high usage% something Kobe wasn't capable of

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    If Kobe was carried by Shaq...

    How did Kobe carry a whole team to two championship wins in a row

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    Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza, Andrew Bynum, and Derek Fisher would like to have a word with you

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