You people really annoy me, its almost as if your position is fueled by an over reaction to cancerous kobe fans, but that's not his fault. Y'all need to give him the respect he deserves he's definitely top 10 all time, personally his my third but that also because I like him as a player but that just opinion. I saw this video the other day and it sums my position up really well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYhEB2nfnSg
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
11. Kevin Garnett
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Stephen Curry
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Karl Malone
18. David Robinson
19. Moses Malone
20. Charles Barkley
21. Bob Pettit
22. Patrick Ewing
23. Dwyane Wade
24. George Mikan
25. Steve Nash
26. John Stockton
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Walt Frazier
29. Rick Barry
30. John Havlicek
31. Chris Paul
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Elgin Baylor
34. Jason Kidd
35. Artis Gilmore
36. Kevin Durant
37. Gary Payton
38. George Gervin
39. Isiah Thomas
40. Reggie Miller
41. Paul Pierce
42. Alonzo Mourning
43. Dwight Howard
44. Kevin McHale
45. Dolph Schayes
46. Ray Allen
47. Willis Reed
48. Tracy McGrady
49. Dikembe Mutombo
50. Robert Parish
51. Adrian Dantley
52. Dave Cowens
53. Pau Gasol
54. Alex English
55. Kevin Johnson
56. Allen Iverson
57. Chauncey Billups
58. Elvin Hayes
59. Bob Lanier
60. Vince Carter
61. Dominique Wilkins
62. Manu Ginobili
63. Paul Arizin
64. Grant Hill
65. Bob McAdoo
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Nate Thurmond
68. Sam Jones
69. Wes Unseld
70. Bernard King
71. Bob Cousy
72. Dennis Rodman
73. Larry Nance
74. Nate Archibald
75. James Worthy
76. Bobby Jones
77. Ben Wallace
78. Shawn Marion
79. Elton Brand
80. Hal Greer
81. Tony Parker
82. Dan Issel
83. Maurice Cheeks
84. Rasheed Wallace
85. Horace Grant
86. Chris Webber
87. Chris Bosh
88. Mitch Richmond
89. Carmelo Anthony
90. Billy Cunningham
91. Mel Daniels
92. Jack Sikma
93. Dave DeBusschere
94. Chris Mullin
95. Shawn Kemp
96. Neil Johnston
97. Bill Sharman
98. Joe Dumars
99. Gus Williams
100. Marques Johnson
Tony and manu were great players but they didn't have the longevity of Kobe. I mean i know by the end of his career he was just throwing up shots and making less than half of them but he was still a arguable top 10 NBA player
Manu*, not many, and it true shit. Ginobili had people on they feet till the very last game (literally), and I hope TP retires in a spurs jersey man, i really do.
no? he won his rings with several other hall of famers. wilt was the best center of that era and keem and maybe shaq are better too (not mentioning kareem since u put him rightfully above)
statistics show hakeem is one of the best all time, and he didnt have a ton of help with the rockets. incredible both sides of the ball in a tougher era than rusell. im not using the bullshit "short white guys" argument but the 90s was a tougher league comp-wise
Nobody gets more career passes than Hakeem. 9 first round playoff exits, 1 missed playoffs in his prime, which include 3 sweeps, 6 blowouts, couldn't make the All-NBA first team in his prime during the ages of 27, 28, 29, couldn't win an MVP or ring until MJ retired.
hakeem didn't play in an 8 team league like billy and mj didnt play in the west. when mj left, hakeem's finals path was no easier. on an individual level i will take hakeem over russell any day. accomplishment wise its obviously bill
The East in that era was better than the West until like 1996 lol. Hakeem was literally bitched every year until MJ retired. By everyone. In his best playoff series statistically he got swept. He padded stats and got lucky that MJ decided to play basetball.
Here's a breakdown of his career:
84-85. Hakeem's rookie season. 12th. And behind players like Terry Cummins, Calvin Natt, and even teammate Ralph Sampson.
85-86. Jumps to 4th, but doesn't receive even ONE first-place vote.
86-87. 7th. Behind players like McHale and Wilkins, and barely ahead of Fat Lever. not ONE first-place vote.
87-88. Again 7th and behind Barkley and Drexler (two future teammates) as well as Wilkins. Not ONE first-place vote, and again, barely edges out Fat Lever.
88-89. 5th. Behind Ewing. Oh, and for the first time...he finally gets first place votes...TWO of them to be exact.
89-90. Back to 7th, and behind K Malone, Ewing, Robinson, and barely ahead of Tom Chambers. And ONE first-place vote. In his first six seasons...a TOTAL of THREE first-place votes.
90-91. 18th. Granted, he only played in 56 games. Still, Larry Bird only played in 45, and finished 9th. Hell, Kenny Smith finished higher in the voting.
91-92. This is really embarrassing. Not even in the top 20. in a season in which he played 70 games. The list of players who actually received votes is littered with merely good, and certainly not great, players.
92-93. SECOND. A miracle. And yet, still miles behind Barkley. And the reality was, voters were getting bored with MJ, who was still the best player in the league.
93-94. FIRST. The ONLY time in his 18 season career that he won MVP. But including context here, MJ was playing bassebal. And even in a league without MJ, he wasn't close to being unanimous, either. 66 first-place votes out of 101 possible.
94-95. 5th. And behind Robinson, O'Neal (who would outplay in the Finals), Ewing, and Malone. Oh, and just ONE first-place vote.
95-96. FOURTH. This would be the last time he would finish in the Top-FOUR...a TOTAL of FOUR times, BTW. Oh, and guess what? ONE first-place vote. Just a year after pounding Robinson in the playoffs, he AGAIN, finished behind him. (Of course, aside from four games of the '95 WCF's, the rest of their 44 career H2H's were basically a wash, except that D-Rob's teams won 70% of the time.)
96-97. 7th. And this is his last quality season. And, again, ZERO first-place votes.
97-98. Nowhere to be found.
98-99. 13th.
99-00. Nowhere to be found.
00-01. Zippo.
01-02. Nada.
You're claming that somehow Hakeem is a Top 5 player all-time while he wasn't even considered a Top-4 player in the league in 14 of his 18 seasons (and just barely with two 4th place finishes.)
He wasn't making it to/past the first round 3/4 of his entire career. I just don't see what makes Hakeem anything more than a top-10 player All-Time, top-7 at absolute best. Hakeem's "impact" is subjective; the results are real. Nobody that wasn't making to/past the first round 3/4's of their careers a top 7 player, let alone top 5.
Csn't agree to that. Some of the teams that made the Finals from the West were far inferior to Hakeem's Rockets. That said, you also have to criticise Robinson the same way, even Malone/Stockton to an extent as well.
Indeed, he was a great laker. My fav moment was his unbelievable game winner against Boston
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Do we watch the same NBA? Is there something wrong with it tv?
Did I give u the permission to speak?
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So you have nothing to discredit my point other than watching NBA games, of which I've watched more and have been alive longer than you
for sure
So r u
yes hes barely top ten all time
Flu put the crack down. I know it's hard but you can do it!
bruh kobe stans so fucking stupid. mj better bron better kareem better hakeem better wilt better duncan better magic better and thats just a start
You people really annoy me, its almost as if your position is fueled by an over reaction to cancerous kobe fans, but that's not his fault. Y'all need to give him the respect he deserves he's definitely top 10 all time, personally his my third but that also because I like him as a player but that just opinion. I saw this video the other day and it sums my position up really well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYhEB2nfnSg
kobe sucks lmao rapist bum fuck off kid
? i was trying to have civilised conversation but obviously that's no longer possible on this dumb ass site
epick gamer moment eks dee ur name marcus die in roblox
are you 12 or something, bitch callin me a kid
nigga u left out Bird
i knew i forgot somebody
Niggas know nothing ab the NBA and claim Kobe's great because he retired
tbh
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Tim Duncan
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. LeBron James
8. Magic Johnson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird
11. Kevin Garnett
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Stephen Curry
14. Julius Erving
15. Jerry West
16. Dirk Nowitzki
17. Karl Malone
18. David Robinson
19. Moses Malone
20. Charles Barkley
21. Bob Pettit
22. Patrick Ewing
23. Dwyane Wade
24. George Mikan
25. Steve Nash
26. John Stockton
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Walt Frazier
29. Rick Barry
30. John Havlicek
31. Chris Paul
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Elgin Baylor
34. Jason Kidd
35. Artis Gilmore
36. Kevin Durant
37. Gary Payton
38. George Gervin
39. Isiah Thomas
40. Reggie Miller
41. Paul Pierce
42. Alonzo Mourning
43. Dwight Howard
44. Kevin McHale
45. Dolph Schayes
46. Ray Allen
47. Willis Reed
48. Tracy McGrady
49. Dikembe Mutombo
50. Robert Parish
51. Adrian Dantley
52. Dave Cowens
53. Pau Gasol
54. Alex English
55. Kevin Johnson
56. Allen Iverson
57. Chauncey Billups
58. Elvin Hayes
59. Bob Lanier
60. Vince Carter
61. Dominique Wilkins
62. Manu Ginobili
63. Paul Arizin
64. Grant Hill
65. Bob McAdoo
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Nate Thurmond
68. Sam Jones
69. Wes Unseld
70. Bernard King
71. Bob Cousy
72. Dennis Rodman
73. Larry Nance
74. Nate Archibald
75. James Worthy
76. Bobby Jones
77. Ben Wallace
78. Shawn Marion
79. Elton Brand
80. Hal Greer
81. Tony Parker
82. Dan Issel
83. Maurice Cheeks
84. Rasheed Wallace
85. Horace Grant
86. Chris Webber
87. Chris Bosh
88. Mitch Richmond
89. Carmelo Anthony
90. Billy Cunningham
91. Mel Daniels
92. Jack Sikma
93. Dave DeBusschere
94. Chris Mullin
95. Shawn Kemp
96. Neil Johnston
97. Bill Sharman
98. Joe Dumars
99. Gus Williams
100. Marques Johnson
All better and thats just a start
Everyone after 60 you can't even make a case for. At least you can argue the other ones but youd end up being wrong anyway
Tony/Manu? Lmao
Tony and manu were great players but they didn't have the longevity of Kobe. I mean i know by the end of his career he was just throwing up shots and making less than half of them but he was still a arguable top 10 NBA player
Nigga what Tony and Manu 100% top 60 of all time u high
Nigga i meant for players that r better than kobe
Kobe a joke nigga get over it
Longetivity my ass many was great up to his very last game and tony is providing a solid bench pg behind kemba
Big W
Manu*, not many, and it true shit. Ginobili had people on they feet till the very last game (literally), and I hope TP retires in a spurs jersey man, i really do.
plenty of guys after 60 have a case, just looking i say dominique wilkins, bob cousy
see* not say
Dominique was pretty much a slightly worst version of VC and Cousy was overrated for his time
nique > vc
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60. Vince Carter
hella questionable
All the questionable thing and that’s the one u point out lmao
holy sit why is D-wade so low?
U left out kobe
Hell yeah Bill Sharman >>>>>>>>> Kobe Bryant
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Just realised you have Steph at 13, bro what a legend
larry nance? tf? some of this towards the end is bad
why tf is Artis Gilmore so high, and Vince Carter < Manu Ginobili and KD > Artis by miles
this list is poor
how long did this take?
if this is in order the top 10 is very bad
It isnt
lets see
russell not top 10
duncan way too high
hakeem way too low
shaq too high
bird wayyy too low
russell not top 10 = mental illness
no? he won his rings with several other hall of famers. wilt was the best center of that era and keem and maybe shaq are better too (not mentioning kareem since u put him rightfully above)
Several other hall of famers? Nigga 70% of those ppl only made the HOF bcz they played with him. Wilt played with more HOFers than Russell did
wilt was a much more dominant player. hakeem is criminally underrated. shaq is the only guy i might concede is worse.
Hakeem is underrated? He lost in the first round more than Russell has lost in the playoffs
statistics show hakeem is one of the best all time, and he didnt have a ton of help with the rockets. incredible both sides of the ball in a tougher era than rusell. im not using the bullshit "short white guys" argument but the 90s was a tougher league comp-wise
Nobody gets more career passes than Hakeem. 9 first round playoff exits, 1 missed playoffs in his prime, which include 3 sweeps, 6 blowouts, couldn't make the All-NBA first team in his prime during the ages of 27, 28, 29, couldn't win an MVP or ring until MJ retired.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacglover/2017/06/15/this-player-edged-out-michael-jordan-as-the-greatest-nba-player-of-all-time/#43eef9c73b8c
stop blowing up my notifs before I ip ban you
shut up you live in oregon
your name is max so whats ur point
point is shut ur piehole
Hakeem couldn't win until MJ retired lmao. Nowhere near a GOAT candidate.
stats say otherwise
The Rockets in Hakeems prime were barely a 500 team while having a good team around him?
hakeem didn't play in an 8 team league like billy and mj didnt play in the west. when mj left, hakeem's finals path was no easier. on an individual level i will take hakeem over russell any day. accomplishment wise its obviously bill
The East in that era was better than the West until like 1996 lol. Hakeem was literally bitched every year until MJ retired. By everyone. In his best playoff series statistically he got swept. He padded stats and got lucky that MJ decided to play basetball.
Here's a breakdown of his career:
84-85. Hakeem's rookie season. 12th. And behind players like Terry Cummins, Calvin Natt, and even teammate Ralph Sampson.
85-86. Jumps to 4th, but doesn't receive even ONE first-place vote.
86-87. 7th. Behind players like McHale and Wilkins, and barely ahead of Fat Lever. not ONE first-place vote.
87-88. Again 7th and behind Barkley and Drexler (two future teammates) as well as Wilkins. Not ONE first-place vote, and again, barely edges out Fat Lever.
88-89. 5th. Behind Ewing. Oh, and for the first time...he finally gets first place votes...TWO of them to be exact.
89-90. Back to 7th, and behind K Malone, Ewing, Robinson, and barely ahead of Tom Chambers. And ONE first-place vote. In his first six seasons...a TOTAL of THREE first-place votes.
90-91. 18th. Granted, he only played in 56 games. Still, Larry Bird only played in 45, and finished 9th. Hell, Kenny Smith finished higher in the voting.
91-92. This is really embarrassing. Not even in the top 20. in a season in which he played 70 games. The list of players who actually received votes is littered with merely good, and certainly not great, players.
92-93. SECOND. A miracle. And yet, still miles behind Barkley. And the reality was, voters were getting bored with MJ, who was still the best player in the league.
93-94. FIRST. The ONLY time in his 18 season career that he won MVP. But including context here, MJ was playing bassebal. And even in a league without MJ, he wasn't close to being unanimous, either. 66 first-place votes out of 101 possible.
94-95. 5th. And behind Robinson, O'Neal (who would outplay in the Finals), Ewing, and Malone. Oh, and just ONE first-place vote.
95-96. FOURTH. This would be the last time he would finish in the Top-FOUR...a TOTAL of FOUR times, BTW. Oh, and guess what? ONE first-place vote. Just a year after pounding Robinson in the playoffs, he AGAIN, finished behind him. (Of course, aside from four games of the '95 WCF's, the rest of their 44 career H2H's were basically a wash, except that D-Rob's teams won 70% of the time.)
96-97. 7th. And this is his last quality season. And, again, ZERO first-place votes.
97-98. Nowhere to be found.
98-99. 13th.
99-00. Nowhere to be found.
00-01. Zippo.
01-02. Nada.
You're claming that somehow Hakeem is a Top 5 player all-time while he wasn't even considered a Top-4 player in the league in 14 of his 18 seasons (and just barely with two 4th place finishes.)
He wasn't making it to/past the first round 3/4 of his entire career. I just don't see what makes Hakeem anything more than a top-10 player All-Time, top-7 at absolute best. Hakeem's "impact" is subjective; the results are real. Nobody that wasn't making to/past the first round 3/4's of their careers a top 7 player, let alone top 5.
No response? Ill take my W and leave
can we like and reply w asap for the commitment behind this comment
Csn't agree to that. Some of the teams that made the Finals from the West were far inferior to Hakeem's Rockets. That said, you also have to criticise Robinson the same way, even Malone/Stockton to an extent as well.
are you trying to argue Hakeem > MJ on april fools?
no hakeem > bill russell and unironically
Dub
Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing all had teams similarly built, yet Hakeem's the only won that gets a pass for having a weak team.
Fuck you mean they all do. But only Hakeem won a championship with said weak team.
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Eh not barely but he ain't top 5 at all thats for sure.
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