Reply to this lineup with your top 10 NBA players of all time (w/ honorable mentions) and I will rank it out of /10 according to my opinion. I will not be biased and just remember that this is all entirely subjective, so don't go being toxic.
I won't be replying to troll lists as they are a waste of time and annoying.
-MJ and LeBron both must be top 3 otherwise you're retarded
-Kobe is not a top 5 player all-time
-Wilt isn't #1
Have fun :)
6. Larry Bird
7. Bill Russell
HM: Curry, Garnett, Dirk, Wilt, Big O, Jerry West,
Honestly the best list I've seen on the site other than mine WWWW
Kobe us most definitely top 5 and even top 3
NOT top 3.
Tell me what makes him better than Magic, Bird, and Kareem
Tell me what makes him worst then those when hes a "copy cat" of Jordan
Jordan not even top 5
Kareem, most MVPS, Magic, best passer carried his team to a ring as a rookie, and Bird is the closest to being as good as Magic. Also, Kobe has the most misses ever
ok based on your advice this is what i came up with
6. Bill Russell
7. Tim Duncan (tbh i don't think Tim should be this high but cause you think he's this high i did it)
9. Larry Legend
*but i did it
1. MJ 2. Lebron 3. Wilt 4. Kareem 5. Magic 6. Kobe 7. Duncan 8. Shaq 9. Bird 10. Russell
This is the second worst list I've seen on here. Do I really need to explain what's wrong here?
yeah i think its pretty accurate
Okay, let's start off with why you put Wilt at #3.
plus he was able to swallow up his pride and win 2 rings with the Lakers
Correction: he only won one with the Lakers
oh that right my b I forgot he won one with the sixers
Ok, so Wilt is the most dominant player of all time and has so many records and achievements that its insane. Plus, I feel like he would still be the best center in the nba today because of his unreal athleticism. There are so many wild stories about what wilt could do on a basketball court that some of them have to be true....
Sure, he's one of the most dominant players of all time, but that was largely due to the insane place that basketball was played at in the '60s. When you adjust his numbers for inflation, they aren't nearly as close to the monstrous ones here was putting up.
He was also a selfish player that only cared about his owns stats and accolades. There are countless instances where he didn't want to take the last shot in the clutch even after dominating the possessions earlier in the game.
Next, although he did have unreal athleticism, it has been debunked many times that it wasn't as outlandish as previously thought. His supposed 50" inch vertical jump was closer to 38-40". Stories don't determine the greatness of a player.
When you observe his playoff stats in the two seasons he won his rings, you can see a massive drop-off in his numbers and an increase in assists. This only proves my point from before. When he actually passed the ball to his teammates, he was able to win.
Basketball is a team sport and Wilt failed to realize that, which ultimately cost him winning.
i guess we will have to agree to disagree. I still think he was the most dominant player ever, and he was incredible. I dont think the two rings do him justice at all.
1.Lebron 2.Jordan 3.Kobe 4.Kareem 5.Hakeem 6.Magic Johnson 7.Bird 8.Shaq 9.Wilt 10.Tim Duncan
Oscar Jerry West Dirk
This is just a mess
:( probably because you never watched these old guys
im from back in the day so I watched most of these guys play
Just looked at your profile and you are most definitely not from "back in the day". And how are you gonna claim to be an oldhead and put LeBron and Kobe in the top 3? Seems a hypocritical.
bc lebron and kobe deserve it
LeBron, yes. Kobe, no.
Fine Im just a 10 yr old kid
1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird 6. Tim Duncan
7. Bill Russell 8. Kobe Bryant
9. Wilt Chamberlain 10. Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon, Oscar Robertson, and Dirk Nowitzki.
I actually really like this list a lot, the only tip I'd have is maybe putting Olajuwon somewhere in the mix, but I guess it's just really down to opinion. Thanks for replying.
Honorable Mentions: Wilt, steph, kd, jerrry west, moses malone
5-9 basically interchangeable imo
I love that you didn't put Wilt in it. Pretty much all the rankings are fine, except that I think Duncan should be a tiny bit higher. Thanks for replying.
This is decent outside of the fact that Wilt is #4 and Duncan is too low.
What’s ur problem with Wilt
For the millionth time, he is the most overrated player in NBA history
Rate this team. https://2kmtcentral.com/21/lineups/55023/goat
mj, lebron, magic(i know this is controversial), kareem, bird, duncan, kobe, wilt, russell, hakeem
I just don't see any justification of putting Magic in the top 3 (feel free to prove me wrong in a debate if you want). Bill and Hakeem are both a little too low, but it's okay.
ok, my one argument is magic won a chip by himself while kareem needed oscar robertson and magic for his chips
And Hakeem won back-to-back ones by himself in the hardest era ever, so why isn't he higher?
technically hakeem won 1 championship when mj played baseball
Technically it doesn't really matter either way because MJ only played 17 games in '95
well that was when mj had retired also i have hakeem as number 10
there was stockton, malone, the pistons, ewing, drob, charles barkley, might as well mention the entire dream team
ye, still no mj
bro theres like 20 HOFers that played when hakeem won. yea mj is good, but he had pip and rodman to back him up. hakeem had no one, ralph sampson at best
ye but after mj came back hakeem fell
1. It's called aging
2. He averaged 27PPG, 11RPG, 3BPG, 2SPG on .514FG% the season MJ came back in '96
but didnt show up in the playoffs ever again
Refer back to point 1
ye but kobe didnt age that fast
He tore his achilles and could barely play for the last three seasons of his career
ye but he was old then
kobe isnt hakeem
Sampson retired in '92
proves hakeem is even better
You can put any other player in NBA history in that exact same scenario and I guarantee you that nobody will be able to win b2b rings with that mediocre team without another all-star.
they were up against the jazz with a bad supporting cast too
After winning the previous year in 1994, the Rockets had a shaky season and only finished as the 6th seed in the West.
In the 1st round they faced the 60-22 Utah Jazz with Karl Malone and John Stockton.
Rockets won 4-2 with Hakeem averaging the following numbers:
35 PPG | 8.6 RPG | 4 APG | 0.8 SPG | 2.6 BPG on 57.3% shooting
In the Conference Semifinals they faced the 59-23 Phoenix Suns featuring Charles Barkley (and Kevin Johnson).
Rockets won 4-3 after being down 1-3 with Hakeem averaging excellent numbers once again:
29.6 PPG | 9 RPG | 3.7 APG | 0.9 SPG | 2.3 BPG on 50.8% shooting
In the Western Conference Finals the Rockets went against the 62-20 San Antonio Spurs with reigning MVP David Robinson and Dennis Rodman (an all-time great defender just like Robinson). Hakeem went on to demolish Robinson after latter had received his MVP trophy before the series and Houston wins 4-2:
35.3 PPG | 12.5 RPG | 5 APG | 1.3 SPG | 4.2 BPG on 56% shooting
Finally in the finals the opponent were the 57-25 Orlando Magic who had eliminated Michael Jordan in the East with Shaq O'Neal and Penny Hardaway on their roster.
Rockets swept the Magic with Hakeem winning back to back Finals MVPs. He averaged these numbers:
32.8 PPG | 11.5 RPG | 5.5 APG | 2 SPG | 2 BPG on 48.3% shooting.
Every team they faced in these playoffs had won 57 or more games
Overall Hakeem eliminated 6 Hall of Famers over the course of his title run who all were in their prime
Over all 22 Playoff games in 1995 Hakeem Olajuwon averaged ridiculous numbers:
33 PPG | 10.3 RPG | 4.5 APG | 1.2 SPG | 2.8 BPG on 53.3% shooting.
This kind of playoff performance had never been matched before and hasn't been reached since then either and this is the reason I laugh at everyone who doesn't have the Dream in his top 10 all time list. To play at this kind of level against this elite competition is more than amazing.
he didnt do this consistently tho, only the two years mj was playing baseball
Name one other player who did then. Go on, I'll wait.
ik, that was his great years, my point is that he didnt do that consistently
Nobody would be able to, that's why MJ is the GOAT
well mj was great for 6 years, lebron's been great his whole career during the playoffs, ik he hasnt nearly been AS great, but he is great consistently, which i think is better than just two years
MJ was the best player in the league from '87 to '98 if we ignore the 18-month break
ik, while hakeem was the best player in the league only those two years
So how is he only #10?
who should he be over, ig he could be over wilt but that's it imo
He's over Kobe, Wilt and Shaq
i didnt put shaq there, and no way hes better than kobe
kobe won two chips without another superstar too
But the difference is that Kobe actually had a great supporting cast. Hakeem had little to no help. Kobe had players like Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Derek Fisher, Andrew Bynum and Ron Artest to all help him when he was having an off night. Not to mention that Hakeem had a harder road to the playoffs both years.
ok so hakeem was better for two.years, but kobe was better on average for his whole career
How do you get that from my previous statement? Are you even listening? That's not my point.
ik, i get that hakeems back to back chips were more impressive then kobes, but kobe was older also he had tthat threepeat with shaq so overall kobe had a better career
bruh stop acting like kobe’s and hakeem are the exact same person. kobe was prolly less injury prone than hakeem or vice versa
that is a reason why kobe is better than hakeem
bru just cuz someones able to play 4 a long time doesnt mean theyre better than someone else lmao
ik, but its a factor
barely. players have little control over their career span. its mostly up to whos more genetically enhanced
ik, players also have very little control over their athleticism and bball iq, doesnt mean its not a big factor
lmao are u fr? every athlete has control over their athleticism and iq. athleticism isnt the same as durability lmfao. i can tell u prolly suck at sports
how does this have anything to do with me, and i dont suck at sports
cuz if u were decent at sports then u would know would know that athletes can make themselves more athletic
ik, but people are born with natural athletisicm too, like lebron, no matter how hard some people work, theu wont be able to throw down the dunks he can dunk
nate robinson. spud webb. both players are under 5 ft they are great dunkers. literal proof that athletes can control their athleticism
ye they were born with great athleticism height and athleticism arent the same thing.
bUt hEighT iS a BiG fAcToR
it is, they are just two examples, how come most nba players are 6ft 6 ish, its beczuse height is a factor, athletisicm too, doesnt mean you cant make the nba without height or athletisiscm but they are correlated
so you are basically saying that every person is not able to improve their physical abilities? thats retarded
i have him at 10
Tf? All of Magic’s championships were with kareem
no kareem was injured once remember
To get to the finals he wasn’t injured and he wasn’t injured for the whole series against philly
ye but the important games were when kareem was injured
Its a team sport you cant win a championship by yourself
well magic carried that year
Here is mine. You commented bruh for some reason
This is the right one
Someone didn't read the stickied comment.
No it's factual
No, it's a lame attempt at a troll that's so blatantly obvious that it's not funny
No it is for real
shut the fuck up
It is for real
Do you actually tell yourself everyday that you're a good troll on this site? If so, take a look at yourself and realize that you're just being an arrogant asshole that can't troll right. You're not trolling anyone, you're just disagreeing with anyone and insulting people's hard work. Make an actually half-decent card for once, then I'll let you talk shit.
I'm not trolling lol
I'm not even gonna bother replying anymore
Mj, bron, Keem, KAJ, magic, larry, duncan, shaq, wilt, rusell.
mj, bron, kareem, magic, bill, tim, kobe, shaq, wilt then hakeem
I'm really surprised that you didn't put Larry Bird in it, considering that he should be ranked right next to Magic. However, I did like how you put Bill and Duncan in the #5 and #6 spots. I also think that Shaq and Hakeem are both better than Kobe, but I'll let it slide.
larry after bill
fuck i forgot him, hakeem was meant to be 11
I don't see how anyone can substantiate Kareem being better than LeBron all-time or Wilt being in the top 5. Duncan is also a bit too low.
ya i came up with this list in 2 mins i didnt expect it to be good imma need some time to come up with a better one
1. Micheal Jordan
2. LeBron James
4. Tim Duncan
5. Larry Bird
6. Magic Johnson
7. Bill Russell
Literally anyone from 4-8 can be switched in my opinion, they're all really close and I'm still not sure since I constructed this list in about 5 minutes
Also Larry and Magic would be ahead of Tim if they played 2 or more years, though Larry had back problems I think and Magic was Magic ofc.
Oh I forgot Hakeem, he could be over Wilt maybe even Shaq but it's more of what you prefer.
This is actually really good. I guess the only thing stopping you from getting a 10 is the absence of Hakeem (though you later corrected yourself). Since you corrected yourself, I'll give you a 9.75.
Kobe I really couldn’t decide between bird or Kobe which one is better but if bird played the same amount of seasons and games as Kobe I think he would undoubtedly be better + if Len didn’t die that team would’ve been god
I feel like 6-9 is very interchangeable except I’m a little iffy on wilt
Only real problem with this is that Bill is and Kobe could be switched, but other than that, it's perfectly fine.
mj, lebron, kareem, shaq, hakeem, magic, bird, duncan, wilt, bill
Just some weird placement, nothing immense I need to point out
weird placement deserves a 4/10?
Kobe isn't top 5, Bill > Wilt, Hakeem too low
7. Bill Russell
8. Larry Legend
10. Tim Duncan
Hakeem Dirk The big O
Just overall bad placement. Kobe and Wilt aren't top 5 players and Duncan should be higher.
Kobe scored 81 points not even lebron can do that and was a great scorer and could shoot
Wilt 100 F*cking points yeah
Duncan well he is 10 and you think he should be 4 thats wrong
One game doesn't determine the greatness of a player's career. Kobe scored 81 on a terrible team with a record of 27-55 that were 12th in the Eastern Conference. Wilt was able to score 100 in the weakest era of basketball when the only competition he had was Bill Russell and Nate Thurmond. He did it on an inadequate 29-51 Knicks team that were at the bottom of the Eastern Conference. Every legend of the game has had a historic performance, but you are weighing those all-time games way too much and are overrating the games and the players due to the lack of your knowledge and common sense.
Now to refute your second statement, Tim Duncan is indeed a top 5 player. I don't know why you said that I think he should be #4, when I never stated that. Duncan is the literal definition of consistency and longevity. He is a top 3 defender of all-time and is unparalleled when it comes to comparing his post-play to other players. His team never had less than 50 wins (excluding the '99 lockout season when there was only 50 games) and was a force to be reckoned with for two whole decades. His '03 playoff run was one of the most dominating and best ever. He has the most all-defensive team selections in NBA history and has 15x all-star selections, 2x MVPs, 5x rings and 3x FMVPs to go along with them. He did so against some of the best players in NBA history.
To sum it all up, you need to actually analyze what you are thinking, and instead of calling me dumb and asking if I have a brain, actually contemplate on what I've said and use common sense. Educate yourself, kid.
DO YOU HAVE A BRAIN?????!!!!!!!
Read the fucking stickied comment. I said this is all entirely subjective and the rating system is based on my unbiased opinion.
1.MJ 2.Kareem. 3.Bron 4.Duncan 5. Magic 6.Kobe 7.Bird 8.Hakeem 9. Shaq 10. Wilt
Honorable Mentions Barkley Big O and Scottie
LBJ is greater than Kareem and Bill should definitely be here
i thought i put bill at 7 lol
Wilt isn't top 5 and Bill is too low
Wilt isn't top 5, Kobe isn't that high, Magic and Bird should be together (you could argue that Bird is better), Wade shouldn't be here, Duncan and Hakeem should be here.
honorable mentions: duncan, carter, hakeem
The order of #6-10 can be re-ordered I guess but it's fine
Also if u wanna make ur own dream starting 5, check out my lineup https://2kmtcentral.com/21/lineups/56994/whats-ur-dream-team-starting5
I guess you can make a case for switching Duncan and Wilt but other than that, it's perfect.
My prediction of your top 10 based on replies
mj bron kareem shaq larry wilt kobe me alex caruso and collin sexton
Read the sticky
1. Michael Jordan
2. Lebron James
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6: Kobe Bryant
7: Hakeem Olajuwon
8: Tim Duncan
9: Wilt Chamberlain
10: Bill Russell
Honerable Mentions: Shaquille O'Neal. Kevin Durant, Oscar Robertson, Allen Iverson, Stephen Curry.
Nothing really wrong with this, but I do think Kobe is a bit high
1. MJ 2. lbj 3.kareem 4 magic 5 kobe 6. larry legend 7. shaq 8 wilt 9. KD 10 . BIll Russell
Kobe is way too high, KD is way too high, Bill too low, Duncan and Hakeem should definitely be here
you think Bam would beat embiid
My rankings were mostly determined by unprecedented success. Context and comp/teammates. With statistics and resume following behind but with less weighing lol.
1: Michael Jordan
2: Lebron James
3: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4: Tim Duncan
5: Bill Russell
6: Magic Johnson
7: Larry Bird
8: Kobe Bryant
9: Hakeem Olajuwon
10: Shaquille O'Neal
Nothing really interchangeable outside of 8-1ish. Go at it mane
One of the best lists I've seen here. Nothing really to fix that sticks out at me. Good job.
1.MJ 2. LBJ 3. Kareem 4. Tim 5. Magic 6. Kobe 7. Larry 8. Shaq 9. Bill Russell 10. Hakeem
Honorable Mention: Stockton, Wilt, Durant
honorable mentions are in no particular order
Kobe is too high and Bill is too low
im a person that really likes Kobe so I used to say that he was better than bron but I personally think that he is 4-6 all time
1 mj 2 lbj 3 bam 4 jimmy buckets 5 bamisgoat 6 kobe 7 wilt 8 dirk 9 kd 10 zion
honorable mentions to troydan and lonzo's balls
HM: Larry Bird, Oscar Robertson, and other guys.
How the hell is Larry Bird not in your top 10
Eh screw iT PUT LARRY AT #7 AND PUSH EVERYONE DOWN A TIER! @bamisgoat
Or now above
If u see below
Magic and Bird have to be next to each other for this to be valid
9. Bill Russell
6. Larry Legend
1. Michael Jordan
Only thing I'd change is Bron > Kareem but other than that W
People may be mad about it but I feel like Kobe isn't a top ten player. I'd say he goes 11th or 12th
Big-O isn't that high and I feel as though Magic isn't top 3 and Wilt is lower
That's a fair judgement
LeMickey isn’t as good as MJ.
That's a biased opinion. If you look at the career stats of the two, LeBron has averaged better numbers. Just in case you want to say that Jordan brought more team success, I could also add that LeBron does have more playoff appearances as he has 15 and Jordan has 13. LeBron also made the Finals a total of 10 times where Jordan has only made it 6 times.
MJ won defensive player of the year, averaged more points through his career, has won two more MVP awards throughout his career.
But I'm done arguing so let's agree to disagree
LeBron made up for points with rebounds and assists. LeBron's also been the more consistent player
#1. Michael Jordan
#2. Hakeem Olajuwon
#3. LeBron James
#4. Magic Johnson
#5. Larry Bird
#6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
#7. Shaquille O'Neal
#8. Kobe Bryant
#9. Bill Russell
#10. Wilt Chamberlain
Best of The Missed Cut:
Scottie Pippen (think about MJ without Pip, but likewise, think of Pippen without His Airness)
Biggest L OAT if you have Hakeem in ur top 5, much less top 2, that’s a bad list
ok, but how about the rest of the list
I mean, Tim Duncan is a top 5 player…. And you don’t have him in the top 10, so that’s not very good
Bro this is shit lol
well if scottie wasnt on the bulls theyd prolly have an overall better bench but maybe
Better bench? Yes. Think about who the Bulls drafted before they traded for Scottie though, Olden Polynice, MJ's stats are probably way higher with Polynice, but team success doesn't exist
yes im fucking biased what you gonna do about it
no wonder none of ur 100+ cards got cotd. ur trash and retarded lmfao
u cared enough to reply to my comment
oof ur just mad
nah u do care cuz u keep responding. ur just mad
like how yo momma dont care abt u
imagine saying "idc" but continuing to reply HAH couldnt be me
What am I gonna do about it? I'll give you a 0 fucktard. What are you gonna do about that huh?
call you ableist
Words mean nothing to me